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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly. [/quote]

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same. [/quote]

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.[/quote]

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on. [/quote]

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