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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a lawyer but I don't understand why Wayfarer agreed to this settlement. They are still under the hook for tens of millions if not more in damages and can't appeal? This seems like they just pled guilty and have to take whatever comes.

Because the judge already indicated he’s not inclined to grant it. Gottlieb asked about it at the last hearing and the judge was skeptical and said the case was not dismissed on the basis of 47.1. I read it as a face saving concession to Blake for dismissing her claims with prejudice and with no money exchanging hands. So now she can say she’s still fighting the good fight. But actually she’s only dragging this out until another bad PR day when the judge denies it.

Wait, what? That doesn't make sense. Like neither the question Gottlieb asked (did he really ask that? is there a transcript of the hearing?) nor Liman's response.

But I would guess we'll know sooner rather than later whether the 47.1 motion succeeds and what damages are. With the settlement and cancellation of the trial, this frees up Liman's time and gives him an incentive for issuing this final decision and ending a big part of the circus in his court (the case between Abel and Jones will continue so it's not totally over but that case gets a lot less scrutiny and media attention because while it's celebrity-adjacent, the main parties are not celebs.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I think it's suss that the headlines are saying Ryan pushed for the settlement, when it seemed like her was the one who pushed for the lawsuit/botched the film. It's like they're trying to rehab his image at the expense of Blake's

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

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Anonymous wrote:The Blake Bot keeps trying to make the argument that no one cares about social media or I guess, now it's only weirdos care about social media. But this entire case exists only because Blake and other celebrities really, really, really care about whether they are getting more negative or positive interactions on social media. Blake couldn't believe how unpopular she was, and looking for a scapegoat, found one in Wayfarer. Only after discovery and continuing negative responses to her, its obvious she really is just that unlikable.

Does "caring about social media" mean harassment? No one is arguing Lively doesn't care about social media, it's obviously the nexus of her case. I just know I have zero desire to go on Baldoni's wife's mother's day post to say what a POS he is but I bet people will do that to Lively if she has her comments open.

Social media comments are largely fake bots. If I hypothetically wanted to paint myself as a victim, I'd have my PR team farm out a bunch of untraceable harassing comments at me from users pretending to be supporters of my nemesis, i.e. false flag. This isn't difficult, nor is it expensive.

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

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Anonymous wrote:The Blake Bot keeps trying to make the argument that no one cares about social media or I guess, now it's only weirdos care about social media. But this entire case exists only because Blake and other celebrities really, really, really care about whether they are getting more negative or positive interactions on social media. Blake couldn't believe how unpopular she was, and looking for a scapegoat, found one in Wayfarer. Only after discovery and continuing negative responses to her, its obvious she really is just that unlikable.

Does "caring about social media" mean harassment? No one is arguing Lively doesn't care about social media, it's obviously the nexus of her case. I just know I have zero desire to go on Baldoni's wife's mother's day post to say what a POS he is but I bet people will do that to Lively if she has her comments open.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

Has it occurred to you that after nearly 300 pages of back and forth in this thread, there are people who support both sides and simply don't agree on what happened here or who is at fault? I can see the appeal of believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "bot" or a paid supporter or something, but it's just not true. There are real people who agree with Blake and thing Justin/Wayfarer are in the wrong here. Obviously we recognize there are also people who think Blake lied and this is all her fault -- I'm not going to pretend you are not a real person or call you a bot. I believe that you really believe what you say here.

But only one side insists the other side isn't real. Only one side fills comment sections with hateful rhetoric to bully and harass anyone who supports Blake. And then that same side claims that Blake supporters *must* be fake because they don't do the same thing to Justin and his supporters. But it's actually just a difference in approach. It would never occur to me to go write nasty comments on Justin's IG -- that seems mean and unnecessary. It would never occur to me to follow pro-Justin content creators so that I could harass them in the comments, it seems like a waste of my time and, again, unkind.

I don't know why Justin supporters are so vicious. But the lack of vicious, aggressive online behavior from Blake supporters is not proof to me that we are not real. It's evidence perhaps of a different value set.

You don’t even need to go back five pages to find a Blake supporter saying that the Justin supporters are all fake (coupled with some ridiculous manosphere word salad) or repeated claims of sock puppeting (false, btw). The Blake supporter (s) get no respect because of this gaslighting, which you are also perpetuating.

I don't think the Justin supporters on this thread are all fake. I do think there are bots and fake accounts engaged in upcoming/down voting activity in Reddit, as well as engaging in the brigading on Blake's IG (when comments were open) and on tabloid comment sections and the comment sections for people who support or even are associated with her.

These are separate things. There are obviously people who genuinely support Justin. There is also clearly "inorganic" behavior online going after Blake and anyone even mildly associated, plus flodfing comment sections. Both can be true.

If Blake were paying for bots, why wouldn't she pay for positive comments in those same places?

If this was truly inorganic behavior, the reactions to Blake at the Met gala would have been completely different.

Instead, she was getting massive side eye. No celebrities posed for photos with her. Everyone was keeping their distance and rolling their eyes.

It’s a bit much to try to suggest that Justin Baldoni controls A-listers at the met gala.

Is it really that difficult to believe Blake is an unlikable, aging actress and the backlash is real? It’s insane to insist that every negative reaction to revelations of horrible things she’s done is part of a calculated smear campaign orchestrated by Justin Baldoni. That’s tin foil hat level of crazy.

DP. I don't understand the connection here. Celebrities were not swarming around Blake and anyone associated and screaming epithets and she's a liar. That's what Baldoni supporters do online (sadly, I think at this point they are mostly real people).

I saw a bunch of red carpet pics of Blake that looked the same as anyone else's red carpet pics. Maybe you're right and there are less pictures of her with celebrities than there are of others. Maybe celebrities are ignoring her and not wanting to be pictured with her. That's... fine and reasonable human behavior. That's what you should do if you don't like somebody. Just as Lively and others did not want to be photographed with Justin.

It would be perfectly rational for Baldoni supporters to ignore Lively that way but that's not at all what they do. They stalk the comments sections to find open comment posts about not only Lively but others in the cast who did not adequately support Justin, and any interview with Lively or her husband. That's pretty insane behavior.

Wait.

So, now you believe that there are real people who support Justin Baldoni?

Your initial post is that Justin paid for bots and an inorganic smear campaign. Now you’ve moved the goal post that these are real people who strongly dislike Blake and are too mean online.

lol pick a lane! Is the negative press a smear campaign and inorganic bots? Or is it that Blake’s behavior finally caught up with her and people do not like her?

Do you know what "DP" means on this board? Besides, the other poster did say there are some real Baldoni supporters online, including on here, along with bot activity.

What I think the other poster and I agree on is the massive hate is beyond "not liking." I don't like Justin, I make that known on the posts discussing the case, but I would never dream of going to write something on his instagram. The hate is so over the top and pervasive that no one can have open comments anywhere. That feels fake. It feels like it's paid shills because why else would anyone do this (I don't even mean just the posting, I mean checking all the posts to see if comments are open and then posting those links and screenshots on reddit, etc). I'm thinking it may not be paid shills anymore because people really are so spun up about this, and that's just sad, but none of it feels normal or organic. It is not an accurate reflection of what the "general public" thinks, it's a reflection of what pro-Baldoni people who are obsessed with the case think.

Again, you don't understand how social media works or who uses it. If you show interest in a topic by so much as liking a post, the algorithm will show you post after post on that topic. No one is searching for anything.

There are specifically posts on reddit where Baldoni supporters post comment sections and celebrate how bad the comments are for Lively and implicitly encourage other supporters to swarm them with more posts. This isn't just something popping up on your algorithm and you liking it or briefly commenting. This is not at all normal use of social media.

So you spend your time on pro-Baldoni reddit sites even though you support Blake, including reading all the comments. And you are trying to argue Baldoni supports are strangely obsessive. I mean, wake up and smell the coffee sister.

I don't spend any time on reddit. I can assure you that yes, that's how social media algorithms work, if you show interest in a topic, they will show you more.

DP and regular reddit user. While yes, Reddit will show you content related to posts you've clicked on before, they also boost content that is more popular with more comments and likes. Thus upvoting and commenting on certain posts with low effort comments is a way to boost content on people's feeds. The Lively/Baldoni saga has been through many iterations on reddit but you can often tell when there is organized effort happening because suddenly your feed will be flooded with a bunch of content that is often just the same topic over and over, posts just referencing other posts, etc. I already subscribe to all the major Lively/Baldoni subs so this isn't about Reddit promoting these topics because of my interest -- I know I'm going to get info about the case in my feed because I've set it up that way. But what info I get, and the frequency of posts, can be heavily influenced by upvoting and commenting behavior. Sometimes it makes sense (there are always more posts, and more popular posts, after a major case development). But when the posts I'm seeing are repetitive and low effort, I do sense manipulative tactics at play.

Case in point would be "the dailies!!!!111" from the other day.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a lawyer but I don't understand why Wayfarer agreed to this settlement. They are still under the hook for tens of millions if not more in damages and can't appeal? This seems like they just pled guilty and have to take whatever comes.

Because the judge already indicated he’s not inclined to grant it. Gottlieb asked about it at the last hearing and the judge was skeptical and said the case was not dismissed on the basis of 47.1. I read it as a face saving concession to Blake for dismissing her claims with prejudice and with no money exchanging hands. So now she can say she’s still fighting the good fight. But actually she’s only dragging this out until another bad PR day when the judge denies it.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget that Blake/Ryan (and bots) always tell on themselves and copy others. I've followed this thread from the beginning and they are easy to spot. They keep repeating the same nonsense while pretending they are above everything. They spend ALL day responding to posts (even minor ones) in a vitriolic manner. They are desperately trying to throw out buzzwords like patriarchy, misogyny, faux ally and accusing Maga and the manosphere of being Baldoni's supporters. It's the Reynolds/Lively playback. Say it enough times and maybe it will stick. They are patting themselves on the back so hard they might break an arm with the pathetic and transparent attempt of a "victory" lap. Force it, smile, pretend everything is great and everyone will forget the embarrassing and ill-advised self-own. Their pr will feed statements from anonymous sources to gossip mags that everything worked out great for them. And the statement. Oh, the statement. Everyone deserves to be heard. It doesn't mean they were in the right. They will pretend that concept is hard to grasp.

Exactly. It obviously wasn't organic and it will 100% cease when the contract ends. Out of the $60 million this futile effort allegedly cost, I'm assuming literally millions of dollars were pissed away on "cyber narrative control." A fool and their money...

The sad thing to me is that you might actually believe this. Just... whoa.

Every Hollywood PR pro basically agrees with this take as does the general public. You're the outlier.

Actually I'm a real person who is a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong.

Actually, I'm a real person who is NOT a Blake supporter and a member of the "general public." Which is how I know you're wrong. Woah, keep being astonished people see through the machinations.

Has it occurred to you that after nearly 300 pages of back and forth in this thread, there are people who support both sides and simply don't agree on what happened here or who is at fault? I can see the appeal of believing that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "bot" or a paid supporter or something, but it's just not true. There are real people who agree with Blake and thing Justin/Wayfarer are in the wrong here. Obviously we recognize there are also people who think Blake lied and this is all her fault -- I'm not going to pretend you are not a real person or call you a bot. I believe that you really believe what you say here.

But only one side insists the other side isn't real. Only one side fills comment sections with hateful rhetoric to bully and harass anyone who supports Blake. And then that same side claims that Blake supporters *must* be fake because they don't do the same thing to Justin and his supporters. But it's actually just a difference in approach. It would never occur to me to go write nasty comments on Justin's IG -- that seems mean and unnecessary. It would never occur to me to follow pro-Justin content creators so that I could harass them in the comments, it seems like a waste of my time and, again, unkind.

I don't know why Justin supporters are so vicious. But the lack of vicious, aggressive online behavior from Blake supporters is not proof to me that we are not real. It's evidence perhaps of a different value set.

You don’t even need to go back five pages to find a Blake supporter saying that the Justin supporters are all fake (coupled with some ridiculous manosphere word salad) or repeated claims of sock puppeting (false, btw). The Blake supporter (s) get no respect because of this gaslighting, which you are also perpetuating.

I don't think the Justin supporters on this thread are all fake. I do think there are bots and fake accounts engaged in upcoming/down voting activity in Reddit, as well as engaging in the brigading on Blake's IG (when comments were open) and on tabloid comment sections and the comment sections for people who support or even are associated with her.

These are separate things. There are obviously people who genuinely support Justin. There is also clearly "inorganic" behavior online going after Blake and anyone even mildly associated, plus flodfing comment sections. Both can be true.

If Blake were paying for bots, why wouldn't she pay for positive comments in those same places?

If this was truly inorganic behavior, the reactions to Blake at the Met gala would have been completely different.

Instead, she was getting massive side eye. No celebrities posed for photos with her. Everyone was keeping their distance and rolling their eyes.

It’s a bit much to try to suggest that Justin Baldoni controls A-listers at the met gala.

Is it really that difficult to believe Blake is an unlikable, aging actress and the backlash is real? It’s insane to insist that every negative reaction to revelations of horrible things she’s done is part of a calculated smear campaign orchestrated by Justin Baldoni. That’s tin foil hat level of crazy.

DP. I don't understand the connection here. Celebrities were not swarming around Blake and anyone associated and screaming epithets and she's a liar. That's what Baldoni supporters do online (sadly, I think at this point they are mostly real people).

I saw a bunch of red carpet pics of Blake that looked the same as anyone else's red carpet pics. Maybe you're right and there are less pictures of her with celebrities than there are of others. Maybe celebrities are ignoring her and not wanting to be pictured with her. That's... fine and reasonable human behavior. That's what you should do if you don't like somebody. Just as Lively and others did not want to be photographed with Justin.

It would be perfectly rational for Baldoni supporters to ignore Lively that way but that's not at all what they do. They stalk the comments sections to find open comment posts about not only Lively but others in the cast who did not adequately support Justin, and any interview with Lively or her husband. That's pretty insane behavior.

Wait.

So, now you believe that there are real people who support Justin Baldoni?

Your initial post is that Justin paid for bots and an inorganic smear campaign. Now you’ve moved the goal post that these are real people who strongly dislike Blake and are too mean online.

lol pick a lane! Is the negative press a smear campaign and inorganic bots? Or is it that Blake’s behavior finally caught up with her and people do not like her?

Do you know what "DP" means on this board? Besides, the other poster did say there are some real Baldoni supporters online, including on here, along with bot activity.

What I think the other poster and I agree on is the massive hate is beyond "not liking." I don't like Justin, I make that known on the posts discussing the case, but I would never dream of going to write something on his instagram. The hate is so over the top and pervasive that no one can have open comments anywhere. That feels fake. It feels like it's paid shills because why else would anyone do this (I don't even mean just the posting, I mean checking all the posts to see if comments are open and then posting those links and screenshots on reddit, etc). I'm thinking it may not be paid shills anymore because people really are so spun up about this, and that's just sad, but none of it feels normal or organic. It is not an accurate reflection of what the "general public" thinks, it's a reflection of what pro-Baldoni people who are obsessed with the case think.

Again, you don't understand how social media works or who uses it. If you show interest in a topic by so much as liking a post, the algorithm will show you post after post on that topic. No one is searching for anything.

There are specifically posts on reddit where Baldoni supporters post comment sections and celebrate how bad the comments are for Lively and implicitly encourage other supporters to swarm them with more posts. This isn't just something popping up on your algorithm and you liking it or briefly commenting. This is not at all normal use of social media.

So you spend your time on pro-Baldoni reddit sites even though you support Blake, including reading all the comments. And you are trying to argue Baldoni supports are strangely obsessive. I mean, wake up and smell the coffee sister.

I don't spend any time on reddit. I can assure you that yes, that's how social media algorithms work, if you show interest in a topic, they will show you more.

I'm referring to ItEndsWithLawsuits which occasionally has some interesting content form the actual docket.