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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Yes, they really believed in LIBERTY and PERSONAL FREEDOMS -- for people who were white and male and owned property.[/quote]

Yes.  Those were the times unfortunately.  But that mistake does not negate the idea that liberty and personal freedom are important.  There was a war later because of those mistakes.  As I said, people will fight for freedom.  It's a very strong ideal.  We should not give up on that ideal just because wealthy white people didn't get it completely right in 1787.[/quote]

But nothing changes.  The "freedoms" that libertarians and other right wingers think they are fighting for are propaganda sponsored by the Koch brothers via the Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Competetive Enterprise Institute and others, which throw around all the buzzwords of freedom, liberty and responsibility while in fact taking away liberty and personal freedoms by consolidating power in the hands of corporate barons.  They've fallen for it, hook line and sinker.  Others of us know better.[/quote]

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