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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about 
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I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.[/quote]
The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.[/quote]

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception.  It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.[/quote]
[b]Again, absent protections for abortion, the forced birthers would immediately begin chipping away at abortion access as they did for fifty years. 15 weeks is as bad a “compromise” as anything. It’s ceding ground to forced birthers, chips away women’s rights and your hypothetical completely ignores termination for fetal reasons. [/b]

The government as an instrument of religious extremists needs to stay out of women’s bodies. Abortion should be regulated by doctors like every other procedure in the country is. [/quote]

This. Witness the tale of two women in Florida [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/10/pprom-florida-abortion-ban/[/url] - both had pre-viability PPROM and both were given antibiotics and sent home to wait. There was no chance of survival for the fetus, but by making the women wait for care one lost half her blood and almost died. The other one was running around to different hospitals trying to find one that considered her sick enough to admit her.

In California, when this happened to Chrissy Teigen, she was admitted, induced, delivered the fetus safely, and had pictures taken to mark her loss.

We can't agree to bans with exceptions when doctors are afraid of being prosecuted criminally for practicing medicine under the exception. When right wingers point out that Europe has laws banning abortions with exceptions so we should do the same, the difference is that right wingers have no intention of honoring the exception part.[/quote]

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