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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation. [/quote]

Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.  [/quote]

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/
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This rings  true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened  to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh. [/quote]

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child.  We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction. [/quote]
Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying? [/quote]

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad.  So needless.  But the PP is correct.  Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people?  We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism.  We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict.  Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life?  Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages?  All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.[/quote]

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.[/quote]

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention. [/quote]

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it.  Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here.  All these innocents caught between them.  We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side.  But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill.  What is the difference?  Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side.  When does it end?[/quote]

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do? [/quote]

So you say it out loud.  You think it is fine to kill all the Palestinians, and you will use the psychopathy of a bunch of terrorists to justify it.

You have have just proven that the far-right Israeli government and their supporters are every bit the psychopaths that Hamas is.

Both far-right Israelis and their supporters AND Hamas disgust me completely.  No regard for innocent human lives.[/quote]

I don't support the far right in Israel. But you have been duped if you think Palestinians have a viable future as long as Hamas is in the picture. Israel provided infrastructure, resources that were all destroyed or utilized for tunnels and weapons. Palestinians worked in Israel prior to 10/7 and that opportunity was stolen from them by Hamas' decision to murder and kidnap Israeli civilians. A lot of blame to go around. [/quote]

What TF is going on? Why do people like you continue to respond to posts where someone completely disavows any support for Hamas, and actually condemns Hamas, with “Well, you have another thing coming if you think Hamas is blameless and will remain the governing authority in Gaza”.

What occurs in your brain that when someone curses Hamas to the depths of hell, you continue to count them as a supporter of Hamas? Is it because you know that your talk of “not supporting” the right wing in Israel is just empty talk that belies your words and actions?

That’s it, huh? Ugh …[/quote]

The post you are quoting does not say anything about Hamas supporters. But polls do say the majority of Palestinians support Hamas. I know that is not what anyone wants to hear but it is a fact. [/quote]

I do not support Hamas.  They are vile terrorists.  But frankly, from the outside, with the way Israel has treated Palestinians for decades and with what Israel is doing right now, I'm not surprised if some Palestinians support them.  If a government constantly limits your freedoms and kills your people, you might stop seeing reason.  You might start listening to horrible people who promise you they will make that government pay.  It has pretty much repeated itself again and again across human history.  Anyone pretending this kind of thing is novel is disingenuous.  And show me how the Zionists are really any different.  They are not really.

This whole conflict is just vengeance upon vengeance on both sides and it's horrific.[/quote]

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