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Anonymous wrote:Another American brutally murdered by Hamas… And yet we still don’t have American boots on the ground assisting the IDF in their vital mission.

A change in administration cannot come quick enough for our Israeli American population.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

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Anonymous wrote:Another American brutally murdered by Hamas… And yet we still don’t have American boots on the ground assisting the IDF in their vital mission.

A change in administration cannot come quick enough for our Israeli American population.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

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Anonymous wrote:Another American hostage murdered yesterday, in addition to five other young hostages.

I find the restraint of the US Administration remarkable. In other other circumstances, we would be hunting and obliterating Hamas everywhere. The amount of sway Palestinians have over Washington is ridiculous. The gloves should be off. We should be in Gaza finishing off these terrorists.

Israel has killed plenty of Palestinian Americans and it never made cnn

I mean a sniper killed an American journalist wearing a press vest and all we did was ask the Israeli army to investigate itself.

The blood of these hostages is on both Hamas and Netanyahu

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I agree. But why were these innocent people kidnpapped in the first place? Hamas did that. They chose to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people at a music festival. The hostages would have been with their families all along had they not been targeted by Hamas.

Because Palestinians were murdered, raped, and kidnapped from their homes and taken into jail for no reason for years before 10/7.

The world didn’t care and was asleep to Palestinian injustices until 10/7 when the same thing happened to Israel

Palestinians were killed and raped by leftists? Or young peaceful music festival attendees? Confused. These innocent people were targeted by Hamas on 10/7. Stop with the lies and excuses. Admit that many Palestinians support Hamas, a murderous death cult, and care nothing for innocent civilians.

And Hamas is still holding 8 American hostages. After yesterday's mass murder of 6 young people, including an American who had already lost an arm, it's clear Hamas does not intend to release any hostages - American or otherwise. We are very good at special night raid missions. I think we have a duty to these innocent people to send in the Seals and Delta and our other Special Forces. Enough with the delicacy. Hamas is out there murdering Americans in cold blood and that cannot be allowed to stand. American forces need to go in to Gaza, kill Hamas, and get our people.

lol honey if they could, they would. I mean, if you have some sons to sacrifice to maybe collect some hostage bodies, go ahead. Otherwise, pass.

A Palestinian American boy was murdered earlier this year. Have you called for the Seals and Delta to parachute into the West Bank and kick some settler ass?

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Another American hostage murdered yesterday, in addition to five other young hostages.

I find the restraint of the US Administration remarkable. In other other circumstances, we would be hunting and obliterating Hamas everywhere. The amount of sway Palestinians have over Washington is ridiculous. The gloves should be off. We should be in Gaza finishing off these terrorists.

Israel has killed plenty of Palestinian Americans and it never made cnn

I mean a sniper killed an American journalist wearing a press vest and all we did was ask the Israeli army to investigate itself.

The blood of these hostages is on both Hamas and Netanyahu

+1

I agree. But why were these innocent people kidnpapped in the first place? Hamas did that. They chose to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people at a music festival. The hostages would have been with their families all along had they not been targeted by Hamas.

Because Palestinians were murdered, raped, and kidnapped from their homes and taken into jail for no reason for years before 10/7.

The world didn’t care and was asleep to Palestinian injustices until 10/7 when the same thing happened to Israel

Palestinians were killed and raped by leftists? Or young peaceful music festival attendees? Confused. These innocent people were targeted by Hamas on 10/7. Stop with the lies and excuses. Admit that many Palestinians support Hamas, a murderous death cult, and care nothing for innocent civilians.

And Hamas is still holding 8 American hostages. After yesterday's mass murder of 6 young people, including an American who had already lost an arm, it's clear Hamas does not intend to release any hostages - American or otherwise. We are very good at special night raid missions. I think we have a duty to these innocent people to send in the Seals and Delta and our other Special Forces. Enough with the delicacy. Hamas is out there murdering Americans in cold blood and that cannot be allowed to stand. American forces need to go in to Gaza, kill Hamas, and get our people.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

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Anonymous wrote:The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation.

Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do?

So you say it out loud. You think it is fine to kill all the Palestinians, and you will use the psychopathy of a bunch of terrorists to justify it.

You have have just proven that the far-right Israeli government and their supporters are every bit the psychopaths that Hamas is.

Both far-right Israelis and their supporters AND Hamas disgust me completely. No regard for innocent human lives.

I don't support the far right in Israel. But you have been duped if you think Palestinians have a viable future as long as Hamas is in the picture. Israel provided infrastructure, resources that were all destroyed or utilized for tunnels and weapons. Palestinians worked in Israel prior to 10/7 and that opportunity was stolen from them by Hamas' decision to murder and kidnap Israeli civilians. A lot of blame to go around.

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What TF is going on? Why do people like you continue to respond to posts where someone completely disavows any support for Hamas, and actually condemns Hamas, with “Well, you have another thing coming if you think Hamas is blameless and will remain the governing authority in Gaza”.

What occurs in your brain that when someone curses Hamas to the depths of hell, you continue to count them as a supporter of Hamas? Is it because you know that your talk of “not supporting” the right wing in Israel is just empty talk that belies your words and actions?

That’s it, huh? Ugh …

The post you are quoting does not say anything about Hamas supporters. But polls do say the majority of Palestinians support Hamas. I know that is not what anyone wants to hear but it is a fact.

I do not support Hamas. They are vile terrorists. But frankly, from the outside, with the way Israel has treated Palestinians for decades and with what Israel is doing right now, I'm not surprised if some Palestinians support them. If a government constantly limits your freedoms and kills your people, you might stop seeing reason. You might start listening to horrible people who promise you they will make that government pay. It has pretty much repeated itself again and again across human history. Anyone pretending this kind of thing is novel is disingenuous. And show me how the Zionists are really any different. They are not really.

This whole conflict is just vengeance upon vengeance on both sides and it's horrific.

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Anonymous wrote:The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation.

Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do?

So you say it out loud. You think it is fine to kill all the Palestinians, and you will use the psychopathy of a bunch of terrorists to justify it.

You have have just proven that the far-right Israeli government and their supporters are every bit the psychopaths that Hamas is.

Both far-right Israelis and their supporters AND Hamas disgust me completely. No regard for innocent human lives.

I don't support the far right in Israel. But you have been duped if you think Palestinians have a viable future as long as Hamas is in the picture. Israel provided infrastructure, resources that were all destroyed or utilized for tunnels and weapons. Palestinians worked in Israel prior to 10/7 and that opportunity was stolen from them by Hamas' decision to murder and kidnap Israeli civilians. A lot of blame to go around.

DP

What TF is going on? Why do people like you continue to respond to posts where someone completely disavows any support for Hamas, and actually condemns Hamas, with “Well, you have another thing coming if you think Hamas is blameless and will remain the governing authority in Gaza”.

What occurs in your brain that when someone curses Hamas to the depths of hell, you continue to count them as a supporter of Hamas? Is it because you know that your talk of “not supporting” the right wing in Israel is just empty talk that belies your words and actions?

That’s it, huh? Ugh …

The post you are quoting does not say anything about Hamas supporters. But polls do say the majority of Palestinians support Hamas. I know that is not what anyone wants to hear but it is a fact.