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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about 
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I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.[/quote]
The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.[/quote]

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception.  It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.[/quote]

And what do you say to the mother who finds out at 16 weeks that the fetus has a catastrophic abnormally incompatible with life and does not wish to carry it to term?

What do you say to the 13 year old child whose pregnancy is first discovered at 16 weeks? You going to force her to do l&d at 9 months?

And who gets to decide when the health of the mother allows an abortion after 15 weeks? You are going to make a woman wait in agony while lawyers and judges decide her fate, rather than her doctor? [/quote]

We're not saying a 15 week ban is a great idea which will leave no victims. We're saying that if the Rs had enacted a whole bunch of 15 week bans in red states, they would probably be doing much better electorally right now. A lot of people would be fine with red states having 15 week bans. I think plenty of people would have been ok with a national 15 week ban, too, so long as abortion rights were protected before 15 weeks.

Anyway, it's all moot because that isn't what Rs did, and f them anyway those woman hating monsters.[/quote]

No. “Plenty of people” wouldn’t be fine with a 15w national ban. 
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