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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We've got to change things folks.

I personally value kids lives and doctors lives and concert goers lives and grocery shoppers lives etc... over assault weapons and high capacity magazines.

Some bat crap crazy hobbyists shouldn't be holding the rest of us hostage. [/quote]

Yup. Tyranny of bat sh1t crazy. [/quote]

They banned guns in Europe, didn’t stop crazies from running over 80+ people with trucks
They banned guns in China, didn’t stop crazies from stabbing and killing dozens of people at a time [/quote]

Better than 45k killed by guns every year. [/quote]

30k are Suicides 
8k are justified homocide aka police shooting a criminal who is a threat 
About 7k are unjustified homocides, 90% are inner city and gang related and done with handguns
200-300 per year are rifles, lower than pool drownings and death from dogs [/quote]

Lies.

24.2k suicide
19.4k murder
1.5k unintentional, law enforcement, undetermined

Data on gun types is only available for 13.6k of the 19.4k murders: 
8k handguns 
400 rifle 
140 shotguns 
And data not available for 10.8k because police departments didn’t report data.

And super high death rate in red states: 
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm[/quote]

Looking at that last link - apparently policies and laws in the different states do matter in gun violence as a whole.  Imagine what we could accomplish with nationwide restrictions. [b]Oh wait, we don’t have to imagine. We have that data too.  Mass shootings went down when we banned semi-automatics in the country as a whole[/b]. [/quote]

Unfortunately that is not true.  Gun crime stayed the same during the 10 year ban.  No report out of hundreds has any statistical evidence that an assault weapons ban had any impact on anything other than the flow of guns to Mexico for cartel wars.

Maybe the ban was too short, or not broad enough or whatever- but gun crime/violence was not impacted by a limited ban.

If you look at trends in the last 3 years, road rage shootings are up the most in California and they have the strictest gun laws going.  Those highway shootings are pistols.  Gun. Violence is way bigger than rifles painted black.[/quote]

I stand by my statement.  Mass shootings went down and exploded after the ban was lifted. [/quote]

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