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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“I don’t see the issue. What is wrong with older students intermingling with the undergraduates. Older students bring life experience and different perspectives which can make class discussions more interesting and engaging.”

There is nothing wrong with it at all. But how much intermingling with transferred/non traditional students is acceptable when a rating system uses data from mostly accepted/matriculated 18 years olds to support its rankings.  This is where I have a problem with a school like Columbia who has  a huge percentage of their undergrads in the SGS taking classes alongside those from CC.  They are basing their eliteness at USNWR off those 18 year olds and completely ignoring the 1/3 of the undergraduates who are not included in that data set. Is it  so hard to understand why this might be a problem? The SGS is not an extension school like the one at Harvard.  USNWR should clarify to its readers that this is not a typical practice at most elite schools.  On the contrary, it rewards Columbia for not reporting that it’s overall student body is more than likely NOT the caliber of HYPSM by giving it an elevated ranking that it might otherwise not deserve. [/quote]

Not a Columbia grad. But I think YOU are the problem. Not Columbia admitting a bunch of veterans or CC transfers to improve equitable access to a highly valued ivy league education. If Columbia is obligated to report that additional data, then Harvard might have to report its extension school data too. You don't provide any justification why the two are fundamentally different besides basing your argument on your own biases against Columbia. From an outsider's POV, they seem about the same to me.  [/quote]

SGS at Columbia is a special program for adults to received a BA as a separate degree from the College. They are two SEPARATE institutions at Columbia.

The real ivy league program with the 3.7% admissions this year  ( and 5.1-6 % admissions  in previous years)  you are addressing is Columbia College.

SGS is a great program for adults and students who took time out from study either after high school or at som later time and decided to return to higher education. Their admissions has nothing to do with Columbia College, and they receive a separate BA which says SGS.

USNWR knows all about this. the only one whodoes not seem to appreciate this distinction is you. Maybe you ar the one in need of an opportunity to return to higher education as an adult. Why don't you  apply to SGS? I m sure its admissions committee would be intrigued by your application and consider you either for admissions or make recommendation that you get some therapy to overcome whatever personal esteeem difficulties you are facing. [/quote]

Well, the only reason I did not apply is that I graduated from high school in time, and I have never heard of GS until I stepped on campus as some pristine 18 year old. It's not for anyone who just randomly decided to take a gap year and tried to get into Columbia through the "back door". It's a very self-selecting student body. Lots of musicians and actors and mid-career professionals, and mostly veterans. You have to have a very convincing reason as to why you took the gap year, and why it is a fit for you as opposed to simply, well I think GS is an easier way to get into Columbia. I think you should you honestly should get some therapy. Like some PP suggested, Forbes put Columbia at #5 this year, and that is counting GS students. Is Forbes deranged like USNWR? I don't know. They seemed to hate Columbia a lot on all sorts of rankings. Yes, there is some distinction in the caliber of CC and GS students. But once you've graduated, you're all the same. And it honestly has very little bearing on our post-graduation outcomes. The Columbia brandname opens plenty of doors in New York just like HYP and can take you to high places. So who cares? [/quote]

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