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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why are people blaming the Obama Admin if Americans are not allowed to travel there? Or are discouraged from going there.[/quote]

[b]People who don't understand a concept of personal responsibility always blame someone else.[/b]
If the boy was kidnaped by NK intelligence and taken to NK, that would be different.

I don't like obama at all, but what happened to this boy was self inflicted.
Still sorry for him and his family. Doctors said he has extensive brain tissue damage. Awful.[/quote]

Exactly [/quote]
Are liberals blaming the black mother on welfare with six kids and no father(s) for her irresponsible life choices? Or are they talking about systemic racism, the history of slavery, etc., etc.? [/quote]

This kid chose to be reckless. [b]Those women didn't choose to grow up in poverty[/b]. Not pardoning their choices, but it's way more complicated than his case. [/quote]
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A college kid goes to NK (admittedly something most people would not do) for a handful of days and the consequences are his fault but a woman who grows up in poverty, has multiple children she cannot afford with no father around, thereby messing up those kids' lives and expecting the taxpayer to take of them, gets a free pass to make stupid decisions for the rest of her life? And then when her children make the same poor choices because they grew up in poverty and the cycle continues, they get a free pass too?  [/quote][/b]

This is such a silly oversimplification.

The kid f-cked up.  He went to NK - bad move, but okay.  But then he willfully defied the laws of a country known for its despotic tendencies and its merciless justice system (if you can call it that; there's not much justice in that system).  He made childish and irresponsible choices that ultimately led to his current situation.  It's tragic and no, I don't believe the punishment in any way fit the crime.  But the North Koreans have a different take on that and he arrogantly messed with their laws.  I feel for his family and for him, but he is to blame.

As for the cycle of poverty and women having kids out of wedlock.  Let's not conflate this with Otto's case.  The complexity of why women AND men have children despite poverty and whether they in fact get a "free pass" (I'd argue they don't but okay) are totally different issues.  Having kids out of wedlock isn't breaking the law in today's America and if we want parents to have fewer kids let's double down on free contraception, education, and providing people with access to education that gives them something to live for and aspire to.  But again, this is such a different situation than Otto's case and so much more complex than can be discussed in the context of this forum.[/quote]

North Korea says he willfully defied the law. Can you prove he did? Are you in the habit of believing rogue nations?[/quote]

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