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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The original ME was sued by the Greenbergs and ultimately settled the lawsuit and as part of the settlement he changed his opinion to homicide. He was under immense pressure both legally and from the media/public. The city agreed to a fresh review and a different new ME has now again determined this was a suicide.

Was the original police investigation great? No. Sloppy? Probably. 
Unfortunate because now some evidence is gone forever and we are less likely to know with absolute certainly exactly what happened? Yes.  But this was not police corruption. And it sure as hell wasn’t corruption from the state attorney general’s office, headed at the time by Josh Shapiro. The Greenbergs have launched an extremely successful media blitz which has succeeded in garnering support from the court of public opinion. Most of whom do have not have accurate facts and are listening to sound bites from the parents’ lawyers. [/quote]

You have the facts wrong here. Originally the ME said it was homicide. Was pressured by police and then changed it to suicide. The Greenbergs sued and he changed it to essentially undetermined. Then new ME reviewed and found suicide. People always conveniently forget that the original finding was homicide. [/quote]

Who says he was pressured by police? [/quote]

That’s literally a fact of the case. No one denies it. They had a meeting with him where they pressured him to change the manner of death based on their investigation. During a deposition the ME said one of the reasons he changed it from homicide to suicide is that the fiancé broke the door down in the presence of others. We now know that isn’t a true fact, so he changed the manner of death not based on what he saw on autopsy, but based on facts from the investigation that weren’t even true.  [/quote]

He asked for the security guard and another building employee to break down the door. There are texts and VM of him calling her repeatedly, there is video of him coming out of the gym to the elevator and then going back and forth, the sec guard calling the apartment as well, them offering him a key, etc   Sam explained that it was locked from the inside and asked them to break it down. The sec guard couldn’t leave his post, so the building told him to shove the door in to break it open. Which he did (not caught on camera unfortunately bc the camera on that floor only reached partially down the hallway). He then called 911 a minute or two later. The neighbors heard all of this - they did not hear a murder or a struggle. You think they wouldn’t have heard her scream if he’d stabbed her 23 times?

The entire timeline and his story are supported by the evidence, which the first ME did not have that night. It’s an unusual case for sure, but it’s not a murder [/quote]

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