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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her[/quote]

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street,  sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed  , can rhyme off the  top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics,  books and medieval  history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least   has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him .  Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential  because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

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He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.[/quote]

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin.  She did the same  thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt  by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were  rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.[/quote]

I missed her insulting DR. Running to find that interview. How nasty [/quote]

She said it multiple times during her promo for the movie Dreamgirls. I don’t think she even realized she was being insulting . That’s how dumb she is.

She didn’t get an actress’ job is to understand, empathize,   embody; and identify with the character not marginalize them.

The hilarious thing now is many people would say she is the one that is now living that movies script, being controlled by a music exec husband.

“Deena Jones” was based on Diana Ross. The movie Dreamgirls is loosely based off the Supremes and Motown.

http://www.blackfilm.com/20061208/features/beyonceknowles.shtml

To what extent do you relate to this character?

Beyoncé Knowles: I definitely can relate to the drive and focus Deena had, especially at a young age and of course I'm in a group, will always be in a group because we're sisters, and became a solo artist but really the parallels stop there. I was so excited about the character because I thought she had the biggest growth. She started out really plain and silly and naïve and Effie protected her and they were all friends and she was from Detroit Projects and grew up with her mother, who she wanted to make proud of her because she was a school teacher and a mother, so she wanted to take care of her mother and take them out of that situation and give them a better life therefore she was willing to be the puppet and she didn't have a father so Curtis was like her father. She didn't have any control and was the lead singer of the group because Curtis felt she was the most marketable back in that time it was very tough to cross over, being African-American, it wasn't because of her voice. Me on the other hand, I grew up with both of my parents, upper-middle class, I went to private school, I don't have a Curtis in my life I write my own songs, I write my own video treatments, I'm in control of my career, I've always been and was the lead singer because of my voice, because of my talent and didn't have the need to become a star because I had a very happy childhood and a very comfortable living so I didn't treat, when Destiny's Child lost on Star Search, I didn't reenact that, when the Dreams lost their talent show, because I went back to a nice house and back to school and Deena went back to the Projects so her need of making it out of there was different from mine and it wouldn't have been smart, playing myself so I really didn't draw on my own experiences, I created new experiences and tried to make sure I wasn't anywhere in the character.

How difficult was the holding back, to sound 'average?'

Knowles: It wasn't difficult because it was a part of the character. It wasn't difficult when they put the eyebrows and the wigs on me because I knew I had to look like a kid and that's part of the character. Out of everything, the singing and being the least glamorous in the beginning was the easiest part. The hardest part for me was making sure that every second I was onscreen, I didn't have a lot of lines, making sure that those moments were important and significant and I could prove to myself and everyone else that I can act because the movies I've done before, I'm proud of them, but I've never had a character that's had as much range and Deena was flawed, Deena was able to show growth and transform so it was exciting for me to finally have a character I could show some of that with.[/quote]

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