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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

I missed her insulting DR. Running to find that interview. How nasty

She said it multiple times during her promo for the movie Dreamgirls. I don’t think she even realized she was being insulting . That’s how dumb she is.

She didn’t get an actress’ job is to understand, empathize, embody; and identify with the character not marginalize them.

The hilarious thing now is many people would say she is the one that is now living that movies script, being controlled by a music exec husband.

“Deena Jones” was based on Diana Ross. The movie Dreamgirls is loosely based off the Supremes and Motown.

http://www.blackfilm.com/20061208/features/beyonceknowles.shtml



To what extent do you relate to this character?

Beyoncé Knowles: I definitely can relate to the drive and focus Deena had, especially at a young age and of course I'm in a group, will always be in a group because we're sisters, and became a solo artist but really the parallels stop there. I was so excited about the character because I thought she had the biggest growth. She started out really plain and silly and naïve and Effie protected her and they were all friends and she was from Detroit Projects and grew up with her mother, who she wanted to make proud of her because she was a school teacher and a mother, so she wanted to take care of her mother and take them out of that situation and give them a better life therefore she was willing to be the puppet and she didn't have a father so Curtis was like her father. She didn't have any control and was the lead singer of the group because Curtis felt she was the most marketable back in that time it was very tough to cross over, being African-American, it wasn't because of her voice. Me on the other hand, I grew up with both of my parents, upper-middle class, I went to private school, I don't have a Curtis in my life I write my own songs, I write my own video treatments, I'm in control of my career, I've always been and was the lead singer because of my voice, because of my talent and didn't have the need to become a star because I had a very happy childhood and a very comfortable living so I didn't treat, when Destiny's Child lost on Star Search, I didn't reenact that, when the Dreams lost their talent show, because I went back to a nice house and back to school and Deena went back to the Projects so her need of making it out of there was different from mine and it wouldn't have been smart, playing myself so I really didn't draw on my own experiences, I created new experiences and tried to make sure I wasn't anywhere in the character.

How difficult was the holding back, to sound 'average?'

Knowles: It wasn't difficult because it was a part of the character. It wasn't difficult when they put the eyebrows and the wigs on me because I knew I had to look like a kid and that's part of the character. Out of everything, the singing and being the least glamorous in the beginning was the easiest part. The hardest part for me was making sure that every second I was onscreen, I didn't have a lot of lines, making sure that those moments were important and significant and I could prove to myself and everyone else that I can act because the movies I've done before, I'm proud of them, but I've never had a character that's had as much range and Deena was flawed, Deena was able to show growth and transform so it was exciting for me to finally have a character I could show some of that with.

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Anonymous wrote:Fascinating discussion.

It may help for some of you to just start with Wikipedia on Cowboy Carter?

As a child she attended the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo every year with her family wearing western clothing. She performed at the Rodeo four times between 2001 and 2007.

Beyoncé's first notable association with country music came in 2007, when she performed a bluegrass-inspired version of her hit "Irreplaceable" with country duo Sugarland at the American Music Awards.

She first released an original country song in 2016 with the song "Daddy Lessons" on her album Lemonade.

Beyoncé, with the Chicks (who had previously covered the song), performed it at the 50th Annual Country Music Association Awards on November 2, 2016. The performance received critical acclaim and gave the CMA Awards their HIGHEST viewership figures in history; however, some country music fans criticized Beyoncé's attendance and felt she did not belong in the genre.

The CMA deleted ALL promotional posts about Beyoncé's performance, succumbing to the pressure in an attempt to prevent backlash against the organization.
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Beyonce has been country, and certainly meets the criteria by any stretches of the DCUM imagination.

She has likely attended more rodeos than you, and if not she has performed at more rodeos. Definitely more AMAs and CMAs, no?

And while she has faced discrimination, do you know what Linda Martell was bombarded with? Do you know what it means for Linda Martell to be on this album with Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson?

Oh, and NO ONE is up in arms about Dolly Parton! Boycott Dollywood is not a battle cry lol. She is literally treated like royalty here and has a pristine reputation.

I am not a super fan of Beyoncé. But the DCUM minimizing and erasure of her knowledge and participation in this area of music is mind boggling. And I won’t venture to guess why….so I will suggest you consider lyrics from Willie Nelson on Smoke Hour II:

“You're turned into KNTRY Radio Texas, home of the real deal
And if there’s one thing you can take away from my set today, let it be this:
Sometimes you don't know what you like until someone you trust turns you on to some real good sh*t
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I'm here
Up next on "The Smoke Hour" is, "JUST FOR FUN" by Beyoncé
You’re welcome”

Yeah, people being dismissive are forgetting where Beyonce is from.

Beyonce arriving at the Houston rodeo to perform.

This is OT but what happened to her? Comparing this video to her at the Grammys is night and day. The smile doesn't reach her eyes anymore. She has such a blank stare now.

One data point: my 14 yo daughter who loves pop music thinks beyonce's new album is laughably bad. listening to her friends talk while driving - they all fell the same.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

I missed her insulting DR. Running to find that interview. How nasty

The comment about the ghetto was especially hilarious given where her husband is from.

I don’t think Beyonce means to be insulting but she is. I actually see why she and Gwyneth Paltrow were friends. Her team had to make Beyonce silent because without that, her snobby elitist behavior would be obvious to her fans.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

She is a vapid simpleton and you could tell that by her disastrous interviews that her PR team had to stop and her foray into movies. She insulted Diana Ross saying the character she played in Dreamgirls wasn’t anything like her because she couldn’t sing well and was unglamorous/too thin. She did the same thing with her role as Etta James saying the character was ghetto, a hot drugged out mess , and not like her at all. Those two women were alive when she said this. She also said her father isn’t a Joe Jackson because they didn’t grow up in the ghetto and he never tried to get the family out of poverty. This was a comment in Essence Magazine that Janet was apparently was very hurt by . Michael died like months after this and she nor her husband were rightfully not allowed at his memorial service . Mariah sang the tribute.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

They lead very separate lives.

How do you know?

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

he still seems misogynistic.

Seems? Please, the stripper poles that J Lo wriggled all over at her Super Bowl half time show were compliments of J dickhead. Yes, he has singled handily degraded the biggest commercial event of the year with his misognyism. No holding back here, he is evil and disgusting.

This am I missing the growth he supposedly had?? He just had daughters and became an ounce better when it involves his own blood

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

They lead very separate lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Who the eff are you and how would you know what racism Beyonce has expo?
Get a brain. You think because people have money and financial success they don’t or have not experienced racism?
You have to be stupid.

+1 Remember when a shop clerk in Switzerland refused to show Oprah a bag because it was "too expensive" for her? The Swiss tourism board issued a public apology to Oprah for the incident.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

he still seems misogynistic.

Seems? Please, the stripper poles that J Lo wriggled all over at her Super Bowl half time show were compliments of J dickhead. Yes, he has singled handily degraded the biggest commercial event of the year with his misognyism. No holding back here, he is evil and disgusting.

I just listened to her version of Jolene .... she sounds like a dog howling in heat. Pathetic. Epic fail.

Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Who the eff are you and how would you know what racism Beyonce has expo?
Get a brain. You think because people have money and financial success they don’t or have not experienced racism?
You have to be stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

He’s 20 years older than her , lived his teens away from home and on the street, sold drugs for a decade and never got caught or killed , can rhyme off the top of his head making analogies to everything from jazz, politics, books and medieval history which means he is seemingly well read and or at least has intellectual curiosity and multitudes to him . Beyoncé is the total opposite of him .

She was a sheltered stage pony for mommy and daddy .

There’s a very telling clip of Jay Z before dating Beyonce where he is asked what he likes in a woman and he said someone sharp with a quick wit is essential because he hates conversation with goofy /ditzy girls.

He was also apolitical, uncharitable, misogynistic, and still clinging to vestiges of street life. I say this as a huge Jay Z fan, but Beyonce had a big impact on his maturation and worldview. It's very dismissive to think Beyonce is a vapid simpleton because she doesn't share or emote much publicly.

he still seems misogynistic.

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part of this conversation is thinking Jay-Z is the driver of the relationship and Beyonce's artistic/social/political stances and not the other way around.

Beyonce has had a much larger effect on Jay-Z than he has on her

Ugh… bs! lol.