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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]But I have a serious problem with justifying correcting today's problems [b]because of what happened 400 years ago[/b]. [/quote] Why do you repeatedly refer to “400 years ago”? Seems like an attempt to falsely create distance from the very recent atrocities in our country. [/quote] Because that's the justification for "reparations," in the article. The justification is that BECAUSE this has been going on for 400 years, black people are entitled to something. That's very different from saying George Floyd's family should be compensated or we should reform the police today.[/quote] Saying [i]"because of what happened 400 years ago"[/i] is very different than [i]"because of what has happened for the last 400 years"[/i] - and given how precise you are with language it appears that you are intentionally distancing the atrocities. Over what time period do you think the US has systematically oppressed black people and done harm? [/quote] How old do you think this country is? Hint: the United States declared independence in 1776.[/quote] Black people have been transported and oppressed in the Americas for longer than 400 years, but the transatlantic slave trade began in earnest when the first human cargo arrived in Virginia in 1619. https://time.com/5653369/august-1619-jamestown-history/ [/quote] Slavery started in Africa with......... you guessed it......... Africans. [b]That doesn’t mean here in US they have been pushed down relentless. [/b] How do fix that? Reparations ain’t it. Nobody (including myself) is going to give up their [b]job, status, wealth, pay more taxes,[/b] or any other measure you can come up with to fix what has been happening. Why should I!? [b]I’m an immigrant who has worked hard to have what I have.[/b] [/quote] They HAVE been pushed down relentlessly over the last 400 years. [/quote] Settle down immigrant guy. Nobody is coming for your stuff, and this country is full of people who work hard, nothing special about that.[b] If reparations ever come to pass, and I hope the do, they will be a long overdue compensation, not a handout, and probably not nearly enough to right centuries of wrong. [/b] Nothing special about taking advantage of the opportunities that this country affords, I have done my best to take advantage of them, be grateful that you were allowed to, you got lucky. There is a long line of lucky ducks who came before you, and a long line that will come after you. And an even longer line who will never get to come, although I say keep em coming, more people to pay for my social security, medicare and when the time comes, my reparations. When you got here, or or you got here, doesn't matter. Put your time in, and one day you too may be able to collect social security, that when all is said and done I will have paid the max into for 35 years. Maybe you have to call the fire department one day, because your house is on fire. Who do you think bought that firetruck you called. That's right my taxes, so your point is silly.[b] If a debt comes due, your hard earned money will be taxed, just like it is every minute of your life, and a tiny infinitesimal portion of your taxes, will go to pay reparations. [/b] And also don't worry about your stuff. I don't want your stuff. I have lots of stuff.[b] I don't want your success (whatever that means) I have that too, same for your wealth, have my own. Your job? Why would I want that? I am retiring soon, so I don't want that either. [/b] Welcome to America, funded by the blood, sweat and tears of generations of people just like yourself, who came to America with a dream to do better. Congrats now get back to work. [/quote] So basically you want a tiny bit of money that you don't need for enormous harm you didn't suffer from people who didn't cause it? If that's all it is, I'll send you a $5 check and write "reparations" on it. Because I got a bit nervous when the rich black guy from BET said he wanted $14 trillion.[/quote] I can imagine the rich black guy makes you very, very nervous. But $14 trillion would be a good start, I figure my cut would be about $360,000 not nearly enough, but it would be something. [/quote] Well, then it isn't a "tiny infinitesimal" portion of my taxes as PPP said. It's $40,000 out of my pocket going to someone worth $600 million. No, he isn't getting it. [/quote] You are personalizing this all a bit too much I think. Do you expect the national debt to be paid back in your lifetime? The answer is no it won't happen. Well the same with this. It just gets added to the national debt and, maybe it takes 6-7 generations for the debt to be paid off. Maybe 400 years, I find that rather fitting. [/quote] Well if it isn't personal, then we can start an investment fund for you and pay it out 400 years from now. I find that rather fitting.[/quote]
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