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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Times World Rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

This has more to do with graduate research.[/quote]

And Michigan comes out ahead once again.[/quote]

As well it should, it spends over a half a billion of your tuition dollars on research every year.  Funny they don't put that in brochures.[/quote]

I'm surprised that this is such a bugaboo for you. Tons of undergraduate and graduate students get to participate in those research projects. That is valuable experience.

https://lsa.umich.edu/urop/students.html[/quote]

This is at the same time the problem for the undergraduates. Public schools like Michigan, UC-Berkeley or UIUC spend a large proportion of their resources on graduate programs and research. Professors only care about their research and do not give a damn to undergraduate teaching because their career and fame only depend on their research. This is why you find you as an undergrad student would have a hard time finding opportunity to interact with professors in those schools. Many courses are not taught by professors but by graduate students. A Berkeley faculty said his class is as large as 2000 students, taught in a theater. These large public schools may have decent research, but that contributes almost nothing to my undergraduate experience. This problem is especially wide spread when the schools have a student body of 40,000 or more. A ranking heavy on graduate programs typically means not good for undergraduate education given a same overall school budget.

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Personally I am not sure this true. Our adult child is in a PhD program at Michigan and her/his supervisor has won awards for teaching undergraduates. This person seems very competent both intellectually and socially, and also committed to the growth of both undergraduate and post graduate students. Let us not assume that all motivations are for fame and glory. There are some committed academics out there who care about sparking brilliance in our youth at different stages of their growth.  [/quote]

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