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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.[/quote]

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.[/quote]

DP. My children are also biracial and the URM side of the family is MAGA (or at least Trump voters), largely due to religious beliefs.

Never had anything said or done that threatens their safety or denied their basic humanity.

YMMV 
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Are you the white parent? As a biracial woman myself, trust me when I tell you, your children have a different racial experience than you. They feel and notice things that you do not, that you cannot. And a time will likely come where they inform you that they have absolutely experienced racism from your MAGA family. And they will spend lots of money on therapy coming to terms with the fact that their own parent cared more about keeping the peace with these people than protecting them. [/quote]

PP said it was the URM side of the family who is MAGA. PP says it’s based on religious beliefs so you can guess which URM they are talking about. So no the MAGA side isn’t being racist, they are the URMs!  [/quote]

+1000

Just stop with the myth of MAGA is racist.  Tons of BIPOC people voted for trump.  Latinx people voted for trump.  Even LGTBQIA++ people support trump.[/quote]

Trump had more black voters this time than any republican in the last 30 years. This concept that he does not welcome or appeal to minorities is not supported by the data. [/quote]

More of few is still not much. Most people of color vote against Republicans, just as they did for Trump. And the reason for that is the known racism that underlies their policies and is prevalent in their rhetoric. Anyone voting for this and pretending it has nothing to do with racism is a disingenuous liar. [/quote]

But but but we were told by a previous poster that Republicans aren't racist at all! https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146[/quote]

And we’ve been told repeatedly that the campus protesters are just advocating for peace in the ME, but Students for Justice in Palestine just tweeted “Death to all collaborators”.

Does that mean that all the keffiyeh kids are terrorists?

Let’s be consistent, shall we?[/quote]

It starts from the top so start there . . . acknowledge the hateful, violent, racist, nasty sh-- that comes from trump (and others in MAGA and in his administration). No one on the right has done that yet and you have no credibility until you do.[/quote]

“You”? I’m not a Trumper. Despise him.

But don’t despise those who voted for him.

That distinction is the crux of this thread.

I think the best path forward is to understand and win over enough Trump voters to win future elections. And I don’t believe that shunning will accomplish that.

[b]Others here apparently disagree and feel that their unambiguous and uncompromising moral certitude, righteousness and condescension will magically make things better.

I disagree.[/b]

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+1 so very true[/quote]

Well, Wise Ones, please explain how to deprogram the MAGA cult and all the people who believe the propaganda of the GOP.  We are waiting.[/quote]

Understand, persuade, compromise, divide/conquer, etc., etc.

In other words, politic effectively.

Shunning/ranting/despising and otherwise vomiting negative emotions while wearing the mantle of self-righteousness? Don’t think that’s likely to accomplish much—Trump has already cornered that market.[/quote]

How many MAGA relatives do you have.  Have you actually had a conversation with one?  Tried reason and facts to no avail.

It's a cult.  They need next-level deprogramming and it's not going to happen while they continue to feed off of the Faux News teat.  [/quote]

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