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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This has been the first time in my life where I am glad my DH and I weren't able to have children, and also decided not to adopt. [/quote]

NP. I’m a registered Democrat who voted for Harris, but I make it a point to consume media across the political spectrum. It is remarkable how different the right-wing is now, particularly with respect to their concept of hope. They want kids. They aren’t doom-spiraling. They aren’t, for the most part, depressed. They are angry, some of them, for reasons I can’t exactly discern (seems disproportionate to their actual lot in life, which isn’t so bad overall). But I don’t see this deep hopelessness.

It feels like one more win for the right, to be honest. [/quote]

They don't seem  concerned about protecting their kids future.[/quote]

They believe they are. In fact they believe that their children will be the ones to save this country and the world. I’m not kidding. [/quote]

They also view them as expendable hence why they have 5 kids. They view it like insurance. [/quote]

No, that is neither fair nor correct. Those five kids are cherished. I am politically very opposite of these folks, but I do not support falsehoods.

They have five kids because they are optimistic about the future of the country and believe in the security of their future. [/quote]

DP but yes and no. I think the pro-natalist movement on the right does cherish family life and children.

However, I grew up one of a large gaggle of kids in a Catholic family. In theory they also cherished family life and children. I was neglected (not just emotionally, I mean I didn't get needed medical care, I often went hungry even though our family had plenty of money, I went without proper shoes or jacket many winters, etc.). A major reason why is that my parents had traditional ideas about gender roles and my mom was at home with all those kids, became incredibly depressed, and my dad was checked out. We were middle class, not rich, and the result was just a lot of chaos and neglect, and also some physical abuse because they would get overwhelmed/frustrated and had no other skills for disciplining kids or handling stress.

But the pro-natalist movement is fairly indistinguishable form the Catholic Church my parents were raised in. They also want to see women staying home with kids while fathers work for money with no expectation that society will support those women and make sure they have the resources they need. In the US, women who are SAHMs can become incredibly isolated and their lack of paid work is not respected which leads to further isolation. And even worse, pro-natalists often don't trust public school systems, so unless you have enough money to afford private schools (in their case, teaching Christian ideology), there's a big push to homeschool. It puts enormous pressure on these women who are raising 5, 6, 7 kids while also educating them and trying to fulfill this image of motherhood that is deeply unrealistic. A lot of them will wind up like my mom. A lot of the dads will be checked out like my dad.

I can tell you from experience this will not be good for the kids. It is not enough to just "love kids" and care about family. A family is a logistical problem that needs solutions. The more kids, the more complex it is. We don't live in an agrarian society, and our culture does very little to support families and especially to support non-working mothers. And MAGAs have no solutions for any of that.[/quote]

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