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Anonymous wrote:We were going to start trying for kids this year but now have decided not to have them. I truly hate this man. He is ruining my life.

If you weren't scared off from having children a few months ago, what with constant war in the Middle East, ever greater wealth inequality, climate change, pandemics, environmental disasters, Russia, Iran, North Korea, etcetera, the last two weeks really shouldn't be making this much of a difference. Obviously a part of you doesn't want to have children, even if you can't acknowledge it. I say this kindly, as someone who spent a decade, and close to a million dollars, trying to conceive, ultimately unsuccessfully. It is very hard for women to admit to themselves, and to others, that they don't want children, or even that they're ambivalent about it. Many women, like me, were/are able to lie to themselves, and to others, by pointing to how hard they tried. You don't even have to pretend to try, you can just blame Trump. I know you can't admit this now, but with time, therapy and maybe some pets, you'll figure it out.

Bro, do you even statistic? Because birth rates have been dropping for years. That's what the whole Project2025 forced birth agenda is about.

White males are having trouble breeding with free women, so they need to implement control systems to keep the population up (lest the "DEI hires" take over the majority, even though they're already the global majority and "competent white men" are about as common as unicorns, or dodos).

And your breederpron story about how hard you tried to do your reproductive duty just gives away your trolling. Women are allowed to not want kids. Deal therewith.

Can you please cut out the anti white man racist comment crap? You make it difficult to argue that there is not really a campaign against white men in this country. It’s hard enough to discuss issues with MAGA as it is and then here you come spouting off like a bigot.

Anonymous wrote:You could teach them about their 2nd amendment rights.

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Anonymous wrote:I am stockpiling plan b for my girls, making sure they get As and know civics, saving every penny of my modest salary so they can go to college overseas with all your rich kids, and i don’t know! What else should I do? I am in a red state. Maybe I should enroll them in krav maga or show them how to use guns properly in case they ever need self defense.

Do I sound panicked? It is because I am!!

How about you teach your daughters to not sleep with random men? The easy solution is to wait until marriage

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You keep telling yourself that. Understand the following:

-there has been no proof of any waste fraud or abuse
-our soft power institutions are being dismantled and China will fill the vacuum
-our law enforcement is being dismantled so there will be no accountability for those in power abusing it
-our privacy is been subsumed by a bunch of young 20 year olds who now have our social secuirty numbers and other private information that can be easily matched to privately held databased and abused
- our banking system is now in the hands of the same 20 somethings who can, by edict, stop the flow of money from the US treasury to banks and between banks down to indovidual accounts.

Said people can now go to someone who like a Biden post in 2021 and offer to unfreeze their bank or investment accounts if they swar fealty to trump, otherwise bye bye assets.

How do we prepare our kids? read Diary of Ann Frank and decide if you are going to try to fight this or given in. We already know where the GOP stands and we also know they are not the majority of the country where these actions have taken place.

Laws and rules and currency are a human construct that can be taken away and we are watching it happen in real time.

But sure, those egg prices were so high in 2024.

Anonymous wrote:Since this is a parenting site I figured that we should discuss the best ways to prepare our children for the Oligarchy?

Should we plan to flee? Should we teach them more about world history and economics? Should we set up accounts that they can access overseas?

I obviously have no idea so help me out here!

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Anonymous wrote:This has been the first time in my life where I am glad my DH and I weren't able to have children, and also decided not to adopt.

NP. I’m a registered Democrat who voted for Harris, but I make it a point to consume media across the political spectrum. It is remarkable how different the right-wing is now, particularly with respect to their concept of hope. They want kids. They aren’t doom-spiraling. They aren’t, for the most part, depressed. They are angry, some of them, for reasons I can’t exactly discern (seems disproportionate to their actual lot in life, which isn’t so bad overall). But I don’t see this deep hopelessness.

It feels like one more win for the right, to be honest.

They don't seem concerned about protecting their kids future.

They believe they are. In fact they believe that their children will be the ones to save this country and the world. I’m not kidding.

They also view them as expendable hence why they have 5 kids. They view it like insurance.

No, that is neither fair nor correct. Those five kids are cherished. I am politically very opposite of these folks, but I do not support falsehoods.

They have five kids because they are optimistic about the future of the country and believe in the security of their future.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been the first time in my life where I am glad my DH and I weren't able to have children, and also decided not to adopt.

NP. I’m a registered Democrat who voted for Harris, but I make it a point to consume media across the political spectrum. It is remarkable how different the right-wing is now, particularly with respect to their concept of hope. They want kids. They aren’t doom-spiraling. They aren’t, for the most part, depressed. They are angry, some of them, for reasons I can’t exactly discern (seems disproportionate to their actual lot in life, which isn’t so bad overall). But I don’t see this deep hopelessness.

It feels like one more win for the right, to be honest.

They don't seem concerned about protecting their kids future.

They believe they are. In fact they believe that their children will be the ones to save this country and the world. I’m not kidding.

They also view them as expendable hence why they have 5 kids. They view it like insurance.

No, that is neither fair nor correct. Those five kids are cherished. I am politically very opposite of these folks, but I do not support falsehoods.

They have five kids because they are optimistic about the future of the country and believe in the security of their future.

DP but yes and no. I think the pro-natalist movement on the right does cherish family life and children.

However, I grew up one of a large gaggle of kids in a Catholic family. In theory they also cherished family life and children. I was neglected (not just emotionally, I mean I didn't get needed medical care, I often went hungry even though our family had plenty of money, I went without proper shoes or jacket many winters, etc.). A major reason why is that my parents had traditional ideas about gender roles and my mom was at home with all those kids, became incredibly depressed, and my dad was checked out. We were middle class, not rich, and the result was just a lot of chaos and neglect, and also some physical abuse because they would get overwhelmed/frustrated and had no other skills for disciplining kids or handling stress.

But the pro-natalist movement is fairly indistinguishable form the Catholic Church my parents were raised in. They also want to see women staying home with kids while fathers work for money with no expectation that society will support those women and make sure they have the resources they need. In the US, women who are SAHMs can become incredibly isolated and their lack of paid work is not respected which leads to further isolation. And even worse, pro-natalists often don't trust public school systems, so unless you have enough money to afford private schools (in their case, teaching Christian ideology), there's a big push to homeschool. It puts enormous pressure on these women who are raising 5, 6, 7 kids while also educating them and trying to fulfill this image of motherhood that is deeply unrealistic. A lot of them will wind up like my mom. A lot of the dads will be checked out like my dad.

I can tell you from experience this will not be good for the kids. It is not enough to just "love kids" and care about family. A family is a logistical problem that needs solutions. The more kids, the more complex it is. We don't live in an agrarian society, and our culture does very little to support families and especially to support non-working mothers. And MAGAs have no solutions for any of that.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been the first time in my life where I am glad my DH and I weren't able to have children, and also decided not to adopt.

NP. I’m a registered Democrat who voted for Harris, but I make it a point to consume media across the political spectrum. It is remarkable how different the right-wing is now, particularly with respect to their concept of hope. They want kids. They aren’t doom-spiraling. They aren’t, for the most part, depressed. They are angry, some of them, for reasons I can’t exactly discern (seems disproportionate to their actual lot in life, which isn’t so bad overall). But I don’t see this deep hopelessness.

It feels like one more win for the right, to be honest.

They don't seem concerned about protecting their kids future.

They believe they are. In fact they believe that their children will be the ones to save this country and the world. I’m not kidding.

They also view them as expendable hence why they have 5 kids. They view it like insurance.

No, that is neither fair nor correct. Those five kids are cherished. I am politically very opposite of these folks, but I do not support falsehoods.

They have five kids because they are optimistic about the future of the country and believe in the security of their future.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been the first time in my life where I am glad my DH and I weren't able to have children, and also decided not to adopt.

NP. I’m a registered Democrat who voted for Harris, but I make it a point to consume media across the political spectrum. It is remarkable how different the right-wing is now, particularly with respect to their concept of hope. They want kids. They aren’t doom-spiraling. They aren’t, for the most part, depressed. They are angry, some of them, for reasons I can’t exactly discern (seems disproportionate to their actual lot in life, which isn’t so bad overall). But I don’t see this deep hopelessness.

It feels like one more win for the right, to be honest.

They don't seem concerned about protecting their kids future.

They believe they are. In fact they believe that their children will be the ones to save this country and the world. I’m not kidding.

They also view them as expendable hence why they have 5 kids. They view it like insurance.

No, that is neither fair nor correct. Those five kids are cherished. I am politically very opposite of these folks, but I do not support falsehoods.

They have five kids because they are optimistic about the future of the country and believe in the security of their future.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been the first time in my life where I am glad my DH and I weren't able to have children, and also decided not to adopt.

NP. I’m a registered Democrat who voted for Harris, but I make it a point to consume media across the political spectrum. It is remarkable how different the right-wing is now, particularly with respect to their concept of hope. They want kids. They aren’t doom-spiraling. They aren’t, for the most part, depressed. They are angry, some of them, for reasons I can’t exactly discern (seems disproportionate to their actual lot in life, which isn’t so bad overall). But I don’t see this deep hopelessness.

It feels like one more win for the right, to be honest.

They don't seem concerned about protecting their kids future.

They believe they are. In fact they believe that their children will be the ones to save this country and the world. I’m not kidding.

They also view them as expendable hence why they have 5 kids. They view it like insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I'm curious how would you have prepared your children for the nuclear carnage of the Truman era?

...The witch hunts of the Eisenhower era?
...The brutal and multiple assassinations of elected leaders and the threat of nuclear apocalypse in the Kennedy era?
...The bloody quagmire of the LBJ era?
...The undermining of public trust in the Nixon era?
...The utter malaise of the Carter era?
...The pure greed of the Reagan era?

I could go on.

What is it exactly that you expect from this imperfect country, and what exactly makes you special in this particular period of American upheaval? Nothing. raise your kids accordingly, and with a strong compass, and life will go on.

If you don't see the unique threat Trump poses to the American way of life you are beyond help.

FDR put people in internment camps and Truman killed 200,000 civilians with a nuclear bomb. What were you taught in school? You are historically illiterate, have no context of how bad it was in the past, lack coping skills, and are completely unhinged.

You reference these things as if they were problematic, yet you have no problem with Trump doing all of them again plus more?

Someone's unhinged, but it's not who you think...

Trump dropped a nuke to intentionally kill 200,000 civilians and put American citizens in a detention camp? Please provide a link. What are you even talking about…

He didn’t even drone American citizens or invent putting migrant kids in cages, but you don’t want to have that conversation. Maybe it’s a good place to start however because a lot of people on this thread seem to think that American history began in the 21st Century and have literally no clue about anything that happened more than 25 years ago.

Rounding up migrants and putting them in detention camps. Potentially using the United States military to do so is so screwed up. Things like should stay in the past and yet here we are.

Rounding up illegal immigrants who committed violent crimes and sex crimes and putting them in a prison in Cuba is equivalent to putting law abiding American citizens in detention camps? Are you serious? Care to make that case to a Japanese elder who was put in a camp by Roosevelt after he or she had their home and business taken?

Is it your position that anyone in the world who crosses the border illegally should just be automatically be turned into a citizen? If so, should 500 million people be allowed to cross illegally? 1 billion?

You totally skipped over the using the United States military as part of this roundup which is one of the most disturbing features of all of this.

And the poster is not talking about violent criminals.

Let’s tease this out. If Russian Nazi gang members crossed the border and started murdering and raping people would you have an issue using the military to get them out of our country? Why shouldn’t the military be used to remove violent gang members who invade our country?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I'm curious how would you have prepared your children for the nuclear carnage of the Truman era?

...The witch hunts of the Eisenhower era?
...The brutal and multiple assassinations of elected leaders and the threat of nuclear apocalypse in the Kennedy era?
...The bloody quagmire of the LBJ era?
...The undermining of public trust in the Nixon era?
...The utter malaise of the Carter era?
...The pure greed of the Reagan era?

I could go on.

What is it exactly that you expect from this imperfect country, and what exactly makes you special in this particular period of American upheaval? Nothing. raise your kids accordingly, and with a strong compass, and life will go on.

If you don't see the unique threat Trump poses to the American way of life you are beyond help.

FDR put people in internment camps and Truman killed 200,000 civilians with a nuclear bomb. What were you taught in school? You are historically illiterate, have no context of how bad it was in the past, lack coping skills, and are completely unhinged.

You reference these things as if they were problematic, yet you have no problem with Trump doing all of them again plus more?

Someone's unhinged, but it's not who you think...

Trump dropped a nuke to intentionally kill 200,000 civilians and put American citizens in a detention camp? Please provide a link. What are you even talking about…

He didn’t even drone American citizens or invent putting migrant kids in cages, but you don’t want to have that conversation. Maybe it’s a good place to start however because a lot of people on this thread seem to think that American history began in the 21st Century and have literally no clue about anything that happened more than 25 years ago.

Rounding up migrants and putting them in detention camps. Potentially using the United States military to do so is so screwed up. Things like should stay in the past and yet here we are.

Rounding up illegal immigrants who committed violent crimes and sex crimes and putting them in a prison in Cuba is equivalent to putting law abiding American citizens in detention camps? Are you serious? Care to make that case to a Japanese elder who was put in a camp by Roosevelt after he or she had their home and business taken?

Is it your position that anyone in the world who crosses the border illegally should just be automatically be turned into a citizen? If so, should 500 million people be allowed to cross illegally? 1 billion?

You totally skipped over the using the United States military as part of this roundup which is one of the most disturbing features of all of this.

And the poster is not talking about violent criminals.

Let’s tease this out. If Russian Nazi gang members crossed the border and started murdering and raping people would you have an issue using the military to get them out of our country? Why shouldn’t the military be used to remove violent gang members who invade our country?

Yea of course I would have a problem with that and you should too. Police and FBI and ATF etc are the proper tools for such an operation. The United States has long had LAW that prevents the military from performing such actions. Read a damn book. This a basic US civics. Where did you go to school?

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.

The Posse Comitatus Act applies to US citizens, not foreign nationals. I’m sure you knew that, but were just trying to sound smart to some of the dimwits on here who learned everything from cable news.

The military is not prohibited from capturing foreign invaders, especially when they are an organized criminal gang. By your logic the Army would be restricted from capturing an ISIS cell that was in the country. And a lot of these criminal organizations, like Mexican cartels, are going to be designated as terrorist organizations.