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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The whole thing is a mess but I'm a mom and there are few things more cruel than trying to keep a mom of very young children separated from her children. I will fight pretty much anyone on that, whether we're talking about a woman in prison or a wealthy actress in a mansion in the UK countryside. The bond between moms and babies/small kids is sacrosanct to me and I think it should only be broken if the mom is unwilling or unable to parent. The idea of someone trying to separate me from my kids at that age makes me think very dark thoughts.

Joe Jonas is absolute garbage.[/quote]

Is he trying to keep them apart, or is he trying to prevent her from attempting to establish the kids primary residence in the UK now that they’re divorcing? Because of those IS cruel and one is protecting his rights as a parent.[/quote]

If he is withholding the kids passports, thus forcing Sophie to come to him if she wants to be with her kids, it's cruel. The legalities of a divorce between two people with different nationalities is not my concern -- they should both have thought of that before getting married and having kids. But I just think it's cruel to attempt to separate very young children from their mother. Even if he has a legal justification for it, it's immoral. Their youngest daughter is only like 14 months old. These are babies.

It makes me feel physically unwell to think of a mother of children that age being separated from her children, for any reason other than the idea that she is an unfit mother. It's the only reason. Very young children should be with their mother if at all possible.[/quote]

Is it better to separate young kids from their father? Their reality is that they are from different countries. And if they’re divorced, they could be parenting on different continents. One of them is going to have more access than the other unless they agree to live in one spot.

It’s not crazy to me that if they’d lived on one location since the kids were born and suddenly moved to England as things were going south, that [b]the US born spouse would want to move back where they and their kids had been living. [/b]She could just as easily have pressured Joe to move to the UK months ago knowing that they were headed for a divorce and wanting to establish their residence there. [/quote]That doesn't mean that he can just go ahead and do it without notifying the other parent. He is a shady, conniving, controlling SOB and there is more about him that's going to come out.[/quote]

Yeah, it’s shady, but it’s a generally messy situation. And who knows what causes the dissolution of their marriage. What if she cheated on him? Is he supposed to just let her take the kids to London and uproot his life to follow them? If they had any established residence, it was in the US. I’m not sure who is legally right here but honestly they both seem like a-holes to me who aren’t putting their kids first. She wants to pull them from their home and father in the US, and he wants them here. The real losers are the kids. [/quote]

First, you are inventing a reason for the divorce that puts her 100% at fault solely to argue in favor of his behavior. Think about that. His behavior is justified IF Sophie is a villain. Ask yourself why that is.

Second, they had no established residence but it appears they were beginning to establish a residence in the UK and that Joe participated in that choice by agreeing to sell the Miami house, rent the house in the UK, and bringing the kids there and living there for several months earlier this year. At the moment, that UK house likely is the most "home"-like place the kids have.

So Sophie is not pulling them from their home in the US. They don't have one. And since Joe is the one who withheld not only passports but also the fact that he'd filed for divorce, it really looks like he's the one trying to pull them from their mom.[/quote]

I didn’t invent a reason where she was solely at fault. It was just an example to refute speculative reasons that he’s completely at fault/blindsided her with his filing. None of us know what happened but this thread is very sympathetic towards her based purely on speculation about him. His behavior is understandable in the context of a divorcing couple concerned that one parent is going to establish the kids primary residence in another country. One that they’d spent a few months towards the end of their four year marriage. That is not establishing a residence there. But the longer the kids are there, the better the odds would be.

I honestly couldn’t care less who was at fault here. To me they both seem irresponsible for getting themselves into this position where they have two kids, no established residence, each fighting to have their kids live far away from the other parent. That sucks for their kids, who should come first.

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I disagree his behavior is understandable. This is why the thread (and I) are favoring Sophie:

- His weird behavior around his divorce filing, including wearing his wedding ring to a concert she was also at, days after filing for divorce. And now we find out he didn't even tell her he'd filed, she found out from the news. Shady AF.

- His PR team going into overdrive to try and portray Sophie as a party girl who was not family oriented after he went public with the divorce filing. Their evidence was thin from the get go (a few photos of Sophie looking happy but not even drunk at a wrap party for the show she was filming this year). It was incredibly obvious the items about Sophie partying were planted by Joe's team and many people rightly viewed this as a tasteless effort to smear the mother of his children in the press. Tacky AF.

- Then he made this big show of taking his daughters out for brunch in LA, either tipping of paps or going where he knew they'd be, seating himself outside in full view, and ensuring they got a good show of him goofing around with his kids. He could have eaten inside, he could have had brunch at home, he went out of his way to USE his very young kids as props to make himself look like a devoted family man in the midst of a divorce. And this is after Sophie and he spent years trying to keep these same kids out of the public eye, with minimal paparazzi photos, and not even disclosing their second daughter's name publicly. Gross AF.

I see one parent who is being messy and manipulative with the press and his kids, and one who is staying mum and letting the filings, and Joe's actions, speak for themselves.[/quote]

She’s staying mum but she’s also looking to extradite the kids to the UK so she’s not innocent here either. Joes legal and PR team have definitely gone on the offensive but make no mistake that they are both being selfish [/quote]

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