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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The whole thing is a mess but I'm a mom and there are few things more cruel than trying to keep a mom of very young children separated from her children. I will fight pretty much anyone on that, whether we're talking about a woman in prison or a wealthy actress in a mansion in the UK countryside. The bond between moms and babies/small kids is sacrosanct to me and I think it should only be broken if the mom is unwilling or unable to parent. The idea of someone trying to separate me from my kids at that age makes me think very dark thoughts. Joe Jonas is absolute garbage.[/quote] Is he trying to keep them apart, or is he trying to prevent her from attempting to establish the kids primary residence in the UK now that they’re divorcing? Because of those IS cruel and one is protecting his rights as a parent.[/quote] If he is withholding the kids passports, thus forcing Sophie to come to him if she wants to be with her kids, it's cruel. The legalities of a divorce between two people with different nationalities is not my concern -- they should both have thought of that before getting married and having kids. But I just think it's cruel to attempt to separate very young children from their mother. Even if he has a legal justification for it, it's immoral. Their youngest daughter is only like 14 months old. These are babies. It makes me feel physically unwell to think of a mother of children that age being separated from her children, for any reason other than the idea that she is an unfit mother. It's the only reason. Very young children should be with their mother if at all possible.[/quote] Is it better to separate young kids from their father? Their reality is that they are from different countries. And if they’re divorced, they could be parenting on different continents. One of them is going to have more access than the other unless they agree to live in one spot. It’s not crazy to me that if they’d lived on one location since the kids were born and suddenly moved to England as things were going south, that the US born spouse would want to move back where they and their kids had been living. She could just as easily have pressured Joe to move to the UK months ago knowing that they were headed for a divorce and wanting to establish their residence there. [/quote] They were living in LA when their oldest was born and when Covid started. They sold their LA house and bought the Miami house in 2021. Then in 2022, their second daughter was born AND they put their Miami house on the market and sold it. Around the same time, the found a house rental in the UK near Sophie's family and Sophie took a job filming in the UK. Joe came to stay with Sophie in spring 2023. Their older daughter has thus lived in at least three if not more houses, and as many cities, since she was born 3 years ago. Their youngest does not appear to have ever lived anywhere for more than a few months at a time. The family does not have a home base. However, it looks like they secured a house in the UK near Sophie's family, and Sophie took a job there, with the intention of putting down roots there. If Joe wants to back out of that and divorce instead, that's his choice, but the idea that it means that the kids can't go to the UK with their mother because of their "connection" to the US is ludicrous. They have no more connection to the US than they do to the UK. Where even is there home in the US? LA? NY? Not Miami, that house is gone. Joe's been on tour this year and it's not clear where his home base is. Is his argument that it's better for these very young children to live out of hotels in random cities instead of in a permanent home near extended family with their mother?[/quote] I mean, they did live in the us for most of their marriage. I think they’re both being selfish. I don’t agree with the narrative that he’s a SOB and she’s not. Neither of them have made responsible decisions about having kids or where they should put down roots. Perhaps they should have had an important conversation like this one before they had kids at all. [/quote] Four year marriage. They lived in two cities on two coasts for three of those years. They got a house in the UK in late 2022 and lived there for much of 2023. I'm sorry, but the idea that they have this unseverable tie to the US and therefore Sophie should not be allowed to have her children with her in the UK, where she has a house and a job and is near family, so that the kids can travel around on tour in the US with their dad, is silly. Sophie made choices to put down roots and create consistency and family of her kids. In the UK. Where is Joe even living right now? Likely out of hotels. Why would that be better for the kids? It makes no sense.[/quote]
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