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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m glad.  The Democrats really need to do a much better job selling this landmark bill to the public.  Democrats traditionally suck at messaging.

But I’m glad.  It’s far from perfect but I’m old enough not to let perfect be the enemy of good. [/quote]

I hope the Democrats can understand that the Senate was completely divided over this. It’s not like this thing was so obviously good that it could be supported unanimously. If we had a different administration there’d be a lot more trust this would be done right.

There’s so much division in America. It would be so crass for Democrats to take this thing and hammer Republicans who are already furious about how the Presidency was stolen from Donald Trump. Who in Arkansas is purchasing induction stovetops? Who I’m Mississippi is purchasing an electric car? Who in Tennessee is purchasing solar panels? See? All these climate things are directed to BLUE states. Because they can afford to front the money to get these things. So it’s not right to trumpet an “accomplishment” that only benefits their voters. Do better.[/quote]

Psst, just here from the south with a fact check.

1.  We do have electric cars (I own one).

2. In general, people dont own solar panels, they lease them through a company like solar city.

3.  We dont generally have induction stoves. When I went househunting, the homes were almost entirely gas Dacor or Wolf.

Im a republican and dont have an issue with the kind of items promoted. I have an issue with its name (the purpose is clearly green energy, not inflstion reduction).  While I worry that we are not investing in oil and gas while we still need it, it would be good to have more incentives for people to choose electric cars.   I dont think you'll ever sell the south on induction stoves. That isnt a money thing, it is a preference thing. [/quote]

Psst...what investments in oil and gas does the government need to make? There are THOUSANDS of untapped wells in the US on public lands. [/quote]

Mostly in the back end-- refineries and distribution.[/quote]

So you believe the government should be investing in private sector refineries and means of distribution? Like, that is literally socialism![/quote]

Is it? Yes, I think we should use the DOE to make strategic investments in energy. Call it what you want. [/quote]

I agree, but I believe those investments should be in the future, not fossil fuels, which have received trillions in subsidies over the past many decades. Why invest more in gas and coal when they cause things like asthma, that we then have to cover via the ACA? Better to ensure cleaner energy sources that reduce air pollution and dependence on foreign sources that also include the military and transportation costs.[/quote]

When you look at nations that have tried to flip the switch into green energy without making continued investments in traditional fuel sources, they have had to backtrack on it and spend even more than if they had done a thoughtful phase out. The green energy market just isnt ready to scale for the entire nation, and the thought that it would fill the void created by reducing investment in traditional sources just hasnt panned out well. That doesnt mean the green dream is dead or will never work, it will just take longer. In the meantime, we need to reduce our risk exposure by continuing to invest in oil and gas. [/quote]

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