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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges. [/quote]

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.[/quote]

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson? [/quote]

I don't understand the comparison to TJ.  According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant.  So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores.  Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?  [/quote]

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.[/quote]

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores? 
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You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

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Yes, slow.  To be clear.  Banneker is not all black.  They have a high Latino population.  They also have Asian students.  Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it.  If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson.  Wilson is nothing to write home about.  I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there.  And I'm black.  [/quote]

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. [b]There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and [b]very artificial environment[/b]. [/b]

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.[/quote] I'm not the pp quoted, but regarding the bolded, What is artificial about the environment at Banneker?  That's such an odd thing to say.  I'm a current Banneker parent, btw.[/quote]

I'm not any of these PPs, and I don't necessarily agree with PP you quoted in bold.

However, I think what PP is saying here is that an all-black environment, and frankly, an all-black-led and all-black-all-high-achieving environment, is not representative of broader society. Following high school graduation, or at the latest, following graduation from a historically black college, Banneker grads will need to navigate a world in which whites are the majority and blacks occupy few positions of power or influence. Similarly, graduates from an all girl school will encounter a male-dominated work environment in most fields. I think this was the point, that a school like Wilson is a more realistic introduction to the world out there. Again, I don't necessarily agree that such an "artificially controlled" environment is such a bad thing during formative years, but this was PP's point.

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Many minority parents (us included, and Asians excluded) will not send our kids to Wilson because[b] it is not the big world out there[/b] that we want our kids to [b]ever have to navigate.[/b]  That is why so many of the high SES AA parents have their kids in private schools not DCPS, not Latin, Basis, Walls, and especially not Banneker or Wilson.  The colleges we want our children to attend will be a much bigger world than the one in which they are presently living, but all AA students there will have made it to the decent colleges our kids will attend.  Some of them will come from much more socioeconomically deprived environments than [b]any of the AA kids in the top DC private schools here[/b], and kudos to those kids for getting to the same college our kids will be at, and at that point in our kids lives we will consider it a valuable and good experience if they integrate into a more AA community and learn from those kids.

But the truth is, NOT all AA and Latino kids at Wilson are college bound.  And that is not the kind of diversity or "world" we want for our kids in high school, or ever as a peer group, which is why they are each one of a very few number of AA kids in each class at every private school around here.  They can experience it at Harvard, where, unlike in the DC privates, "diversity" is much more than just skin deep.  And they can also meet the kids from flyover country, from Oklahoma, Latin America, and Greece etc.  At that point it will be all good, because at that point the kids who could really get them into trouble will be the white, multi-generational legacy trust fund brats, not the multi-generational inner city poverty AA population here where many kids never had a chance because their mothers were on crack while they were in utero.

Sorry to insult so many and paint with far too broad a brush, but this the reason that many if not most high SES AA kids in DC, if they are ever in DCPS, leave sometime during ES, without hesitation or any kind of inner conflict, and none of the angst that white liberals seem to experience even moving from school to school here.  For parents like us, the equation is quite simple.  We do what we believe is best for our kids, and it ain't Banneker or Wilson or Walls or anywhere except private school.  Never has been and never will be.  And during all this time they are learning how to operate in the white educated world, which is still the world that mostly matters in this country (although the "white" part of that is becoming less and less pristine with every generation......[/quote]

But PP, I have to ask this question - we are veering off - as a AA family with very high HHI and one kid in DCPS and one in private (each kid is very different), even I have realized that Banneker kids are getting into those same colleges that you are spending over $100k to get your kid into to.  For my HBCU family, we want our kids to follow us.  We understand that they may not, but given our professions, we are certainly not more impressed with kids whose parents spent all of that money to get their kids into those ivies, etc.  Also, as an AA girl who grew up in a very affluent suburb here, I swore that I would never let my kids go through what I did as being one of the very few.  Not fun at all.  There is more to education than academics.

Also, the reason that I also like Banneker (my DS is not a candidate b/c he would not be able to manage the work) is that all of the kids are successful.  Wilson scares him b/c some of the kids are scary, but not at Banneker.  Therefore the choice for us would have been Banneker.  With all that said, my DS will have to go private.  Not because I think those schools are so much better, but because he needs a really small environment.[/quote]

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