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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Beyoncé must be one of the most overrated entertainers of all time.  She doesn’t completely suck, but she’s certainly nothing special.  [/quote]

This.  She does not have the voice of a Mary J Blige, not in the same universe.  But she's good at using stripper poles in her shows so there's that I suppose.[/quote]

Huh? I'm a MJB super fan. I'd never put her in the category of a powerful voice. Now if you would have said Adele, I would have given you that.

Little secret, not all the best entertainers of all time will have the best voices of all time and not all best voices of all time will be the best entertainers.

Michael Jackson and Prince are GOAT like figures (and great singers) but not the best voices in their genre. Taylor Swift is not even top 5 voices of her peers but she's a GOAT in her genre/category. Same with Usher. You can't deny Beyonce is the same. Drake is far from the best 20 rappers, but he's still a star nonetheless. Why the Beyonce hate?[/quote]

Not loving someone and thinking they’re overrated is not the same as hating them.  JFC.  I don’t think anyone hates Beyonce but some of us find her music, dancing, and even looks “blah” at best.  And we simply don’t understand this societal Beyonce worship.  [/quote]

Yes, hate is not the word.  She is annoying like a mosquito.  Her talent is completely overrated.  Her vocal style is annoying.  That would be fine except that she and her husband are so over the top in their arrogance and you can't escape them. Maybe they don't get all the awards because they don't deserve all the awards and they should just shut up about it.  [/quote]

Same jay zs rant at the Grammies was a disappointing display of entitlement and lack of class. Beyoncé has plenty of well deserved Grammies.[/quote]

AOTY is treated like a songwriters award and that’s why Beyonce hasn’t won. Beyonce is less songwriter and more album curator. She conceptualizes the album but brings in others and samples songs to create it.

The academy could create a second AOTY to award concept and achievements in production. She’d be a shoo-in for that. [/quote]

DP. I get what you're saying. Doesn't it feel like Beyonce isn't the one conceptualizing and producing her albums, though? As others have said, her emotion isn't layered across her body of work--or even across an entire album. It feels overproduced. Her shows look overproduced. Her videos, her image, feels like she is performing someone else's vision. Maybe it's Jay Z's, but it seems more theatrical than one person's. There has to be a group (including Beyonce, sure) that comes up with most of it.

Honestly, *other than* the work that is strategically released and curated, does anyone have a sense of Beyonce, the woman? Her vision of her career? I won't include her family because they've chosen to be exceptuobally private about their family and I respect the heck out of that choice.[/quote]

I don’t think she has a sense of what she wants outside of awards. She’s been a trophy horse since childhood for mama and papa and now her new papa Jay Z who has been with her since she was 16.[/quote]

Agreed. I think she had a better sense of self and personality when she was younger. It's all but gone now. [/quote]

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