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Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Or, another perspective:
She's a complex woman with ideas in her head who, yes, is privileged, but is also intelligent and an analyst and putting out more ideas into the world then all the other pop music superstars put together. She's playing checkers (intellectually) while Taylor and Ariana are playing chess.

Wendy Williams summed it up when she said Beyoncé sounds like she has a 5th grade education.

She isn’t deep.

And you glossed over the key point: she uses a fake persona to push a narrative through lyrics that just isn’t authentic. Even worse: she’s fanning the flames of racism despite having never endured it. Why? Because it’s a way to manipulate and make money.

And here we are…a divided society.

Authentic? 1997 called. They want their descriptor back. Who is under the impression that any pop stars are authentic.

Ooooohhhh burnnnn.

You know, some people have been canceled for appropriating “facts” that aren’t real.

She has created a false narrative and brand based on hardship she has never faced and racism she hasn’t endured. Even worse: she doubles down on this foster division.

But go ahead and celebrate it if you like. Starlets need sheeple-stans. It’s fun, but don’t pretend it’s deep.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Or, another perspective:
She's a complex woman with ideas in her head who, yes, is privileged, but is also intelligent and an analyst and putting out more ideas into the world then all the other pop music superstars put together. She's playing checkers (intellectually) while Taylor and Ariana are playing chess.

Wendy Williams summed it up when she said Beyoncé sounds like she has a 5th grade education.

She isn’t deep.

And you glossed over the key point: she uses a fake persona to push a narrative through lyrics that just isn’t authentic. Even worse: she’s fanning the flames of racism despite having never endured it. Why? Because it’s a way to manipulate and make money.

And here we are…a divided society.

This. Quite simply, marketing the image she so carefully created with her dh in control. Nothing genuine in those songs or lyrics. Except lemonade but I often wonder if that was true because I do not see dh letting that out for public consumption.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Or, another perspective:
She's a complex woman with ideas in her head who, yes, is privileged, but is also intelligent and an analyst and putting out more ideas into the world then all the other pop music superstars put together. She's playing checkers (intellectually) while Taylor and Ariana are playing chess.

Ugh, no. She truly does not come off as a deep thinker. Husbands puppet for his race bating, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Or, another perspective:
She's a complex woman with ideas in her head who, yes, is privileged, but is also intelligent and an analyst and putting out more ideas into the world then all the other pop music superstars put together. She's playing checkers (intellectually) while Taylor and Ariana are playing chess.

Wendy Williams summed it up when she said Beyoncé sounds like she has a 5th grade education.

She isn’t deep.

And you glossed over the key point: she uses a fake persona to push a narrative through lyrics that just isn’t authentic. Even worse: she’s fanning the flames of racism despite having never endured it. Why? Because it’s a way to manipulate and make money.

And here we are…a divided society.

Authentic? 1997 called. They want their descriptor back. Who is under the impression that any pop stars are authentic.

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Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Or, another perspective:
She's a complex woman with ideas in her head who, yes, is privileged, but is also intelligent and an analyst and putting out more ideas into the world then all the other pop music superstars put together. She's playing checkers (intellectually) while Taylor and Ariana are playing chess.

Wendy Williams summed it up when she said Beyoncé sounds like she has a 5th grade education.

She isn’t deep.

And you glossed over the key point: she uses a fake persona to push a narrative through lyrics that just isn’t authentic. Even worse: she’s fanning the flames of racism despite having never endured it. Why? Because it’s a way to manipulate and make money.

And here we are…a divided society.

Anonymous wrote:Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

Or, another perspective:
She's a complex woman with ideas in her head who, yes, is privileged, but is also intelligent and an analyst and putting out more ideas into the world then all the other pop music superstars put together. She's playing checkers (intellectually) while Taylor and Ariana are playing chess.

Hot take:

Beyoncé has been famous and living a privileged life thanks to Jay Z since she was a teen, and therefore hasn’t experienced any real struggles or racism.

Yet she must double down on such things to create connections with and ultimately manipulate her fans.

It’s all fake. She really hasn’t lived or experienced much of anything.

She’s just a pop star, really.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé must be one of the most overrated entertainers of all time. She doesn’t completely suck, but she’s certainly nothing special.

This. She does not have the voice of a Mary J Blige, not in the same universe. But she's good at using stripper poles in her shows so there's that I suppose.

Huh? I'm a MJB super fan. I'd never put her in the category of a powerful voice. Now if you would have said Adele, I would have given you that.

Little secret, not all the best entertainers of all time will have the best voices of all time and not all best voices of all time will be the best entertainers.

Michael Jackson and Prince are GOAT like figures (and great singers) but not the best voices in their genre. Taylor Swift is not even top 5 voices of her peers but she's a GOAT in her genre/category. Same with Usher. You can't deny Beyonce is the same. Drake is far from the best 20 rappers, but he's still a star nonetheless. Why the Beyonce hate?

Not loving someone and thinking they’re overrated is not the same as hating them. JFC. I don’t think anyone hates Beyonce but some of us find her music, dancing, and even looks “blah” at best. And we simply don’t understand this societal Beyonce worship.

Yes, hate is not the word. She is annoying like a mosquito. Her talent is completely overrated. Her vocal style is annoying. That would be fine except that she and her husband are so over the top in their arrogance and you can't escape them. Maybe they don't get all the awards because they don't deserve all the awards and they should just shut up about it.

Same jay zs rant at the Grammies was a disappointing display of entitlement and lack of class. Beyoncé has plenty of well deserved Grammies.

AOTY is treated like a songwriters award and that’s why Beyonce hasn’t won. Beyonce is less songwriter and more album curator. She conceptualizes the album but brings in others and samples songs to create it.

The academy could create a second AOTY to award concept and achievements in production. She’d be a shoo-in for that.

DP. I get what you're saying. Doesn't it feel like Beyonce isn't the one conceptualizing and producing her albums, though? As others have said, her emotion isn't layered across her body of work--or even across an entire album. It feels overproduced. Her shows look overproduced. Her videos, her image, feels like she is performing someone else's vision. Maybe it's Jay Z's, but it seems more theatrical than one person's. There has to be a group (including Beyonce, sure) that comes up with most of it.

Honestly, *other than* the work that is strategically released and curated, does anyone have a sense of Beyonce, the woman? Her vision of her career? I won't include her family because they've chosen to be exceptuobally private about their family and I respect the heck out of that choice.

I don’t think she has a sense of what she wants outside of awards. She’s been a trophy horse since childhood for mama and papa and now her new papa Jay Z who has been with her since she was 16.

Agreed. I think she had a better sense of self and personality when she was younger. It's all but gone now.

Maybe, but the entire point of the album was explicitly stated in several parts of the album. She is taking Americana songs and redoing them her way and adding a little bit of rap/r and b to them. That is why the I’s in the album are all double. It is take two.

Nothin' really ends
For things to stay the same, they have to change again
Hello, my old friend
You change your name, but not the ways you play pretend
American Requiem
Them big ideas (Yeah), are buried here (Yeah)
Amen

It's a lot of talkin' goin' on
While I sing my song
Can you hear me?
I said, "Do you hear me?"

The album exists to make a protest statement about race in America. If you want to see it as an award grab, you can, but it can also speak deeper than just that.

After I listened to the entire album, I agree that a lot of it is overproduced, but I do like the idea that a female pop star has something more to say than just “Here is my diary. I’ve been hurt by men can’t you see! Why doesn’t anyone help me?”

She covered you all who hate her in smoke town:

Now for this next tune, I want y'all to sit back, inhale
And go to the good place your mind likes to wander off to
And if you don't wanna go, go find yourself a jukebox
Thank you

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Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé must be one of the most overrated entertainers of all time. She doesn’t completely suck, but she’s certainly nothing special.

This. She does not have the voice of a Mary J Blige, not in the same universe. But she's good at using stripper poles in her shows so there's that I suppose.

Huh? I'm a MJB super fan. I'd never put her in the category of a powerful voice. Now if you would have said Adele, I would have given you that.

Little secret, not all the best entertainers of all time will have the best voices of all time and not all best voices of all time will be the best entertainers.

Michael Jackson and Prince are GOAT like figures (and great singers) but not the best voices in their genre. Taylor Swift is not even top 5 voices of her peers but she's a GOAT in her genre/category. Same with Usher. You can't deny Beyonce is the same. Drake is far from the best 20 rappers, but he's still a star nonetheless. Why the Beyonce hate?

Not loving someone and thinking they’re overrated is not the same as hating them. JFC. I don’t think anyone hates Beyonce but some of us find her music, dancing, and even looks “blah” at best. And we simply don’t understand this societal Beyonce worship.

Yes, hate is not the word. She is annoying like a mosquito. Her talent is completely overrated. Her vocal style is annoying. That would be fine except that she and her husband are so over the top in their arrogance and you can't escape them. Maybe they don't get all the awards because they don't deserve all the awards and they should just shut up about it.

Same jay zs rant at the Grammies was a disappointing display of entitlement and lack of class. Beyoncé has plenty of well deserved Grammies.

AOTY is treated like a songwriters award and that’s why Beyonce hasn’t won. Beyonce is less songwriter and more album curator. She conceptualizes the album but brings in others and samples songs to create it.

The academy could create a second AOTY to award concept and achievements in production. She’d be a shoo-in for that.

DP. I get what you're saying. Doesn't it feel like Beyonce isn't the one conceptualizing and producing her albums, though? As others have said, her emotion isn't layered across her body of work--or even across an entire album. It feels overproduced. Her shows look overproduced. Her videos, her image, feels like she is performing someone else's vision. Maybe it's Jay Z's, but it seems more theatrical than one person's. There has to be a group (including Beyonce, sure) that comes up with most of it.

Honestly, *other than* the work that is strategically released and curated, does anyone have a sense of Beyonce, the woman? Her vision of her career? I won't include her family because they've chosen to be exceptuobally private about their family and I respect the heck out of that choice.

I don’t think she has a sense of what she wants outside of awards. She’s been a trophy horse since childhood for mama and papa and now her new papa Jay Z who has been with her since she was 16.

Agreed. I think she had a better sense of self and personality when she was younger. It's all but gone now.

I hope one day the Academy awards Rihanna an Album of the Year (even if it’s pure trash ) just to see Beyonces head explode

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Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé must be one of the most overrated entertainers of all time. She doesn’t completely suck, but she’s certainly nothing special.

This. She does not have the voice of a Mary J Blige, not in the same universe. But she's good at using stripper poles in her shows so there's that I suppose.

Huh? I'm a MJB super fan. I'd never put her in the category of a powerful voice. Now if you would have said Adele, I would have given you that.

Little secret, not all the best entertainers of all time will have the best voices of all time and not all best voices of all time will be the best entertainers.

Michael Jackson and Prince are GOAT like figures (and great singers) but not the best voices in their genre. Taylor Swift is not even top 5 voices of her peers but she's a GOAT in her genre/category. Same with Usher. You can't deny Beyonce is the same. Drake is far from the best 20 rappers, but he's still a star nonetheless. Why the Beyonce hate?

Not loving someone and thinking they’re overrated is not the same as hating them. JFC. I don’t think anyone hates Beyonce but some of us find her music, dancing, and even looks “blah” at best. And we simply don’t understand this societal Beyonce worship.

Yes, hate is not the word. She is annoying like a mosquito. Her talent is completely overrated. Her vocal style is annoying. That would be fine except that she and her husband are so over the top in their arrogance and you can't escape them. Maybe they don't get all the awards because they don't deserve all the awards and they should just shut up about it.

Same jay zs rant at the Grammies was a disappointing display of entitlement and lack of class. Beyoncé has plenty of well deserved Grammies.

AOTY is treated like a songwriters award and that’s why Beyonce hasn’t won. Beyonce is less songwriter and more album curator. She conceptualizes the album but brings in others and samples songs to create it.

The academy could create a second AOTY to award concept and achievements in production. She’d be a shoo-in for that.

DP. I get what you're saying. Doesn't it feel like Beyonce isn't the one conceptualizing and producing her albums, though? As others have said, her emotion isn't layered across her body of work--or even across an entire album. It feels overproduced. Her shows look overproduced. Her videos, her image, feels like she is performing someone else's vision. Maybe it's Jay Z's, but it seems more theatrical than one person's. There has to be a group (including Beyonce, sure) that comes up with most of it.

Honestly, *other than* the work that is strategically released and curated, does anyone have a sense of Beyonce, the woman? Her vision of her career? I won't include her family because they've chosen to be exceptuobally private about their family and I respect the heck out of that choice.

I don’t think she has a sense of what she wants outside of awards. She’s been a trophy horse since childhood for mama and papa and now her new papa Jay Z who has been with her since she was 16.

Agreed. I think she had a better sense of self and personality when she was younger. It's all but gone now.

I miss Rihanna’s music. Pop hasn’t been the same with Taylor and Beyonce and Ariana Grande .

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Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé must be one of the most overrated entertainers of all time. She doesn’t completely suck, but she’s certainly nothing special.

This. She does not have the voice of a Mary J Blige, not in the same universe. But she's good at using stripper poles in her shows so there's that I suppose.

Huh? I'm a MJB super fan. I'd never put her in the category of a powerful voice. Now if you would have said Adele, I would have given you that.

Little secret, not all the best entertainers of all time will have the best voices of all time and not all best voices of all time will be the best entertainers.

Michael Jackson and Prince are GOAT like figures (and great singers) but not the best voices in their genre. Taylor Swift is not even top 5 voices of her peers but she's a GOAT in her genre/category. Same with Usher. You can't deny Beyonce is the same. Drake is far from the best 20 rappers, but he's still a star nonetheless. Why the Beyonce hate?

Not loving someone and thinking they’re overrated is not the same as hating them. JFC. I don’t think anyone hates Beyonce but some of us find her music, dancing, and even looks “blah” at best. And we simply don’t understand this societal Beyonce worship.

Yes, hate is not the word. She is annoying like a mosquito. Her talent is completely overrated. Her vocal style is annoying. That would be fine except that she and her husband are so over the top in their arrogance and you can't escape them. Maybe they don't get all the awards because they don't deserve all the awards and they should just shut up about it.

Same jay zs rant at the Grammies was a disappointing display of entitlement and lack of class. Beyoncé has plenty of well deserved Grammies.

AOTY is treated like a songwriters award and that’s why Beyonce hasn’t won. Beyonce is less songwriter and more album curator. She conceptualizes the album but brings in others and samples songs to create it.

The academy could create a second AOTY to award concept and achievements in production. She’d be a shoo-in for that.

DP. I get what you're saying. Doesn't it feel like Beyonce isn't the one conceptualizing and producing her albums, though? As others have said, her emotion isn't layered across her body of work--or even across an entire album. It feels overproduced. Her shows look overproduced. Her videos, her image, feels like she is performing someone else's vision. Maybe it's Jay Z's, but it seems more theatrical than one person's. There has to be a group (including Beyonce, sure) that comes up with most of it.

Honestly, *other than* the work that is strategically released and curated, does anyone have a sense of Beyonce, the woman? Her vision of her career? I won't include her family because they've chosen to be exceptuobally private about their family and I respect the heck out of that choice.

No single artist does all that and all these huge tours are overproduced. NO one can run their mini-corporation/brand, dance, sing, write all the songs, make the costumes, choreography and the scenes for a huge tour. It takes TONS of people. Think of all the bonuses Taylor gave to her staff (not just the truck drivers) as an example. It takes LOT of people to make these massive artists. They all look overproduced to me. I mean you are going to a music version of Cirque Du Soleil at this point.

Good for Beyoncé for keeping her work life and social life separate!

I took “overproduced” as a reference to the album and its numerous writers and producers. No one expects musical artists to do all the non-musical things like tour logistics, choreo, and costumes. I’m sure artists have a vision but they’ll need experts in those fields to carry it out.

We don’t truly know Beyoncé’s involvement in her albums because she doesn’t do press or promote any of her work. Artists need to campaign for Grammys like actors campaign for Oscars. Taylor Swift didn’t promote Reputation and it received zero nominations despite being one of her better albums. Beyonce has actually done better than Taylor with the silent approach but it’s not surprising that Beyonce hasn’t won the top prize.

It’s hard to overstate just how overrated Beyonce is. There’s so much better R&B or pop female singers out there that are truly talented vocalists and songwriters with more timeless or compelling music, but the problem is they don’t have the looks of Beyonce .

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Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé must be one of the most overrated entertainers of all time. She doesn’t completely suck, but she’s certainly nothing special.

This. She does not have the voice of a Mary J Blige, not in the same universe. But she's good at using stripper poles in her shows so there's that I suppose.

Huh? I'm a MJB super fan. I'd never put her in the category of a powerful voice. Now if you would have said Adele, I would have given you that.

Little secret, not all the best entertainers of all time will have the best voices of all time and not all best voices of all time will be the best entertainers.

Michael Jackson and Prince are GOAT like figures (and great singers) but not the best voices in their genre. Taylor Swift is not even top 5 voices of her peers but she's a GOAT in her genre/category. Same with Usher. You can't deny Beyonce is the same. Drake is far from the best 20 rappers, but he's still a star nonetheless. Why the Beyonce hate?

Not loving someone and thinking they’re overrated is not the same as hating them. JFC. I don’t think anyone hates Beyonce but some of us find her music, dancing, and even looks “blah” at best. And we simply don’t understand this societal Beyonce worship.

Yes, hate is not the word. She is annoying like a mosquito. Her talent is completely overrated. Her vocal style is annoying. That would be fine except that she and her husband are so over the top in their arrogance and you can't escape them. Maybe they don't get all the awards because they don't deserve all the awards and they should just shut up about it.

Same jay zs rant at the Grammies was a disappointing display of entitlement and lack of class. Beyoncé has plenty of well deserved Grammies.

AOTY is treated like a songwriters award and that’s why Beyonce hasn’t won. Beyonce is less songwriter and more album curator. She conceptualizes the album but brings in others and samples songs to create it.

The academy could create a second AOTY to award concept and achievements in production. She’d be a shoo-in for that.

DP. I get what you're saying. Doesn't it feel like Beyonce isn't the one conceptualizing and producing her albums, though? As others have said, her emotion isn't layered across her body of work--or even across an entire album. It feels overproduced. Her shows look overproduced. Her videos, her image, feels like she is performing someone else's vision. Maybe it's Jay Z's, but it seems more theatrical than one person's. There has to be a group (including Beyonce, sure) that comes up with most of it.

Honestly, *other than* the work that is strategically released and curated, does anyone have a sense of Beyonce, the woman? Her vision of her career? I won't include her family because they've chosen to be exceptuobally private about their family and I respect the heck out of that choice.

I don’t think she has a sense of what she wants outside of awards. She’s been a trophy horse since childhood for mama and papa and now her new papa Jay Z who has been with her since she was 16.

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Anonymous wrote:Beyoncé must be one of the most overrated entertainers of all time. She doesn’t completely suck, but she’s certainly nothing special.

This. She does not have the voice of a Mary J Blige, not in the same universe. But she's good at using stripper poles in her shows so there's that I suppose.

Huh? I'm a MJB super fan. I'd never put her in the category of a powerful voice. Now if you would have said Adele, I would have given you that.

Little secret, not all the best entertainers of all time will have the best voices of all time and not all best voices of all time will be the best entertainers.

Michael Jackson and Prince are GOAT like figures (and great singers) but not the best voices in their genre. Taylor Swift is not even top 5 voices of her peers but she's a GOAT in her genre/category. Same with Usher. You can't deny Beyonce is the same. Drake is far from the best 20 rappers, but he's still a star nonetheless. Why the Beyonce hate?

Not loving someone and thinking they’re overrated is not the same as hating them. JFC. I don’t think anyone hates Beyonce but some of us find her music, dancing, and even looks “blah” at best. And we simply don’t understand this societal Beyonce worship.

Yes, hate is not the word. She is annoying like a mosquito. Her talent is completely overrated. Her vocal style is annoying. That would be fine except that she and her husband are so over the top in their arrogance and you can't escape them. Maybe they don't get all the awards because they don't deserve all the awards and they should just shut up about it.

Same jay zs rant at the Grammies was a disappointing display of entitlement and lack of class. Beyoncé has plenty of well deserved Grammies.

AOTY is treated like a songwriters award and that’s why Beyonce hasn’t won. Beyonce is less songwriter and more album curator. She conceptualizes the album but brings in others and samples songs to create it.

The academy could create a second AOTY to award concept and achievements in production. She’d be a shoo-in for that.

DP. I get what you're saying. Doesn't it feel like Beyonce isn't the one conceptualizing and producing her albums, though? As others have said, her emotion isn't layered across her body of work--or even across an entire album. It feels overproduced. Her shows look overproduced. Her videos, her image, feels like she is performing someone else's vision. Maybe it's Jay Z's, but it seems more theatrical than one person's. There has to be a group (including Beyonce, sure) that comes up with most of it.

Honestly, *other than* the work that is strategically released and curated, does anyone have a sense of Beyonce, the woman? Her vision of her career? I won't include her family because they've chosen to be exceptuobally private about their family and I respect the heck out of that choice.

I have no opinion one way or the other about her, but my overall impression is that other people have always been pulling the strings.