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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Jeez can we take the politics out of this for one minute and actually have a conversation here

We need to do 2 things

1.  Address the moral hazard problem.  There needs to be penalties/consequences for poor health behavior poor diet, smoking, not exercising or rewards (lower premiums) for positive behavior
2.  Bring back catastrophic plans

Most people are satisfied with their health insurance. Scrapping a system that over 100 million people are happy with makes absolutely no sense. 
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You seem to ignore the large gap in between.  What then?  People get sick even if they live healthy lives?

Catastrophic plans don't address things like getting mammograms, a lumpectomy (benign, which I've had). It doesn't address congenital issues like asthma.

The vast majority of people fall in the large gap you keep ignoring.[/quote]

Not only do they get sick, they also get hit by buses, bitten by dogs, ride in airplanes with people carrying diseases, etc[/quote]

Under Obamacare you pay for all that anyway because you have a deductible of at least 5k (unsubsidized)

That's the same as a catastrophic plan except you are paying 30 a month instead of 300[/quote]
It'd even worse than that - try $800+. That's what you'll pay for the "bargain" bronze plan if you're over 60  - and you'll still have a $6k deductible. [/quote]

Yup.

A scam.[/quote]
Now imagine not having ANY insurance and how  much you will end up paying if you get sick.[/quote]

because people were too dumb to get catastrophic insurance on their own so now the rest of us have to pay 10 times or more per month for the same type of high deductible plan?!?!?!?

I'm tempted to take a lower paying job so I get subsidizes

This is the point folks the democratic ideas are going to screw the actual middle class.  The poor get free stuff, the rich can afford to subsidize the free stuff but the middle class sure can't[/quote]

+ a million[/quote]

+2 million, if it would actually be free/a better deal for the MC then yeah M4A would be great, but the more candidates talk about it, the more I get the feeling the  middle-class (not D.C. middle-class but the actual middle class of 50k-75k) is going to get shafted even more than we already are.

Medicare for some will just make private rates go even higher, and medicare for all? Bernie elaborated that if you make less than 29k you wont pay anything at all in taxes for it, well WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL MIDDLE CLASS BERNIE?! We get to keep paying for everyone else?! No thank you.
-signed a major Bernie fan in ‘16
 [url]https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/463425-colbert-questions-sanders-on-middle-class-tax-hike-after-pressing-warren-on[/url][/quote]

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