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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They were on a deserted 8 mile trail/mountain with a dog and baby in 110 degree heat. It's [b]obviously[/b] heat related. Stop with your fanfiction nonsense. Y'all sound like idiots.[/quote]

It is not obvious, farm and construction workers are out all day in the same conditions and rarely die.  Not only that, it is extremely strange for two healthy people to die in close proximity (time and location) to each other from heat conditions.

https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1421199094610071554?s=20
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People rarely die of heatstroke in national parks. As for construction workers, it is a known hazard, and workers still die.

https://www.safeopedia.com/summertime-roadwork-and-heat-stroke/2/6023

Never makes the news though. [/quote]

But not all of them at the same time. If one had succumbed, the other would have gone for help. This is so obvious. It was FA/murder suicide. I guarantee this is why we are no hearing anything more. It's sad and obviously nobody wants that to be made public.[/quote]

Once you both are at the bottom of the hill, it doesn't matter if one turns back. Neither was making it up the hill in those conditions. Especially someone without water. [/quote]

For people who are unfamiliar, take a look at the SL trail using Google Earth. When the change in elevation requires switchbacks to get up the trail, it is steep. And in 109+ degree heat and direct sun, might as well have been Everest. The truck was so close but much too far, tragically.[/quote]

Christ on a cracker!
I had never looked at their trail on Google earth, but did just now... those switchbacks are insane. 😱
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In full sun, with temps over 109 in Devil's Gulch, they sadly could not make it up. Not only was the sun baking down (tree cover having burned in 2018 fire) but the canyon was radiating up heat. It had to be brutal.

Days later, SAR dogs had to be pulled because they were burning their paws on the trail and one LE was overcome by heat on Wednesday morning, Sunday afternoon was hotter. LE also had difficulty with satellite phones where the bodies were found so I'm not even certain a PLB would have worked. They had to hike up higher to get a signal.

That canyon is deep and once you go down to the bottom it is going to be hell getting back out. On AllTrails many of the reviews from spring months mention the heat in the canyon. Devil's Gulch appears to be aptly named. [/quote]

Wow, thanks so much for all of that detail. 
I had no idea how arduous it would've been to get back to the truck, thanks for suggesting Google Earth.

Like most people, I had imagined in my mind what I thought their trail probably looked like, but seeing it on Google Earth was shocking and NOTHING like I imagined. 
It really put into perspective the daunting nature of what they were dealing with.

I imagine none of their families knew they were taking these seriously dangerous hikes with the baby, because once look at Google Earth would've made me TERRIFIED for my grandchild, no matter how experienced of a hiker my child was.

There's a big difference between the heat a toddler can tolerate and the heat an adult can tolerate.... devil's gulch indeed. 
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Or in this case, no difference at all...they all perished. [/quote]

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