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The social environment for college women is hostile. Those songs were disgusting. This is not limited to UVA. College guys love to make up barbaric chants to label women sluts any chance they get. In Boston the girls from Simmons were called "Simmons mattress". From Pine Manor they were called "Pine Mattress". The girls going from Wellesley to MIT or Harvard arrived on the "f**k truck". I think they mentioned the lovely chant from Yale bros "No means Yes, and Yes means anal." All around them everyone is drunk. [b]No one dates, they only hookup and act like sex is just an act where you can turn all emotions off. After they graduate they arrive in cities like DC where other women look down on them if they want serious relationships that could lead to marriage.[/b] This is all nuts. Young women in their 20's have hormones and emotions that are craving male attention because it is biological but they also hope that they can make emotional connections at the same time. Instead the environment has men trying to use women any chance they get, everyone is drunk and high and then they chase money and careers. The sexual revolution certainly has a dark side where men just find another way to put women down.[/quote]

I was with you until this turned into a "Bring back dating" nostalgia trip. Plenty of women got raped in the Golden Age of Dating, whenever that was. And they were taught to blame themselves, or at least doubt themselves, too.

What will stop rape is an end to rape culture -- to treating women as objects whose desires, whatever they are, are secondary to men's desires to put their bodily parts where they aren't welcome.

Maybe that will result in a wholesale return to sex only within the context of monogamous relationships or maybe people will continue to hook up. That's not my business, and it's not yours, either. But it would mean a society where any sex that isn't fully consensual is condemned by society, and the condemnation is limited to the perpetrator, not coexistent with a crapton of second-guessing the victim.[/quote]

I sort of agree with you, but I sort of don't.  I think that the acceptance of sex as something that starts much earlier than it used to is partly responsible for the commodification of women as sex objects.  I know it's always happened, but if you look at pop culture now, it's so focused on women and girls as sex objects, and with them not having value for any other reason, I think it's partly due to the fact that it's happening before kids have the intellectual maturity to realize that it's devaluing them.[/quote]

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