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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding. [/quote]

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good).  Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."  [/quote]

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?[/quote]

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.  [/quote]

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.[/quote]

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues. [/quote]

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.  And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above.  So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.[/quote]
You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry. [/quote]

Look, just because you don't know anyone who has done this in real life, that doesn't mean they don't exist.  It's honestly not that rare.  Go out to where the fit, healthy people hang out and talk to them, listen to their experience.  Some have kept weight off for years or even decades by making permanent changes for the better.

Is it that hard to imagine there are lots of people who have lost weight and never bothered to sign themselves up for a registry?

I think all the people saying it can't be done want to be right because they want to have a justification to take the meds.  They are in denial that anyone else could make positive, impactful lifestyle changes that are sustainable.  Despite many success stories, including on this very forum.

But it makes them feel better to say it's impossible, no one has control over their fate of becoming obese, and there is nothing they can do about it except taking drugs.[/quote]

Go ahead, show us some actual data that suggests the odds of permanent weight loss of 50 pounds or more are greater than, say, 10 percent. [/quote]

I know actual people who have done this.  They are not a part of any study.  10 percent is not that much if you are talking over 250 lbs.[/quote]

So no actual evidence, then? Just “you know people.” That’s what I figured. [/quote]

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