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Anonymous wrote:Have the pill poppers revealed their latest findings regarding causes of obesity? TBH, their latest hypothesis of a genetic mutation was not conclusive from a scientific perspective.

Low IQ?

Jabba The Hutt?

I’m not obese, actually. I just hate the rank stupidity on display from you and your dim buddies in this thread.

You aren't exactly making a compelling argument by calling numerous people stupid. I'm actually not so sure you've made any argument at all?

Maybe you have some type of mental issue that prevents you from accepting clearly established facts. You turn it into victim blaming and that causes you to jump to their defense, like a super hero lol. Or maybe you are F-ing psycho, IDK.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues.

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight. And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above. So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.

You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry.

Look, just because you don't know anyone who has done this in real life, that doesn't mean they don't exist. It's honestly not that rare. Go out to where the fit, healthy people hang out and talk to them, listen to their experience. Some have kept weight off for years or even decades by making permanent changes for the better.

Is it that hard to imagine there are lots of people who have lost weight and never bothered to sign themselves up for a registry?

I think all the people saying it can't be done want to be right because they want to have a justification to take the meds. They are in denial that anyone else could make positive, impactful lifestyle changes that are sustainable. Despite many success stories, including on this very forum.

But it makes them feel better to say it's impossible, no one has control over their fate of becoming obese, and there is nothing they can do about it except taking drugs.

Go ahead, show us some actual data that suggests the odds of permanent weight loss of 50 pounds or more are greater than, say, 10 percent.

I know actual people who have done this. They are not a part of any study. 10 percent is not that much if you are talking over 250 lbs.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues.

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight. And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above. So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.

You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry.

Look, just because you don't know anyone who has done this in real life, that doesn't mean they don't exist. It's honestly not that rare. Go out to where the fit, healthy people hang out and talk to them, listen to their experience. Some have kept weight off for years or even decades by making permanent changes for the better.

Is it that hard to imagine there are lots of people who have lost weight and never bothered to sign themselves up for a registry?

I think all the people saying it can't be done want to be right because they want to have a justification to take the meds. They are in denial that anyone else could make positive, impactful lifestyle changes that are sustainable. Despite many success stories, including on this very forum.

But it makes them feel better to say it's impossible, no one has control over their fate of becoming obese, and there is nothing they can do about it except taking drugs.

Go ahead, show us some actual data that suggests the odds of permanent weight loss of 50 pounds or more are greater than, say, 10 percent.

I know actual people who have done this. They are not a part of any study. 10 percent is not that much if you are talking over 250 lbs.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any problems with people taking a long term drug to get healthy. Plenty of people are on long-term statins, thyroid meds, mental health meds, BP meds, etc. why not these drugs? It’s not a moral failing to have thyroid problems or depression is it? Now that we have these drugs, however, is there any excuse for the obese to not take the drugs and give them a try? What if they’re happy at their size 28 and choose not to take the drug?

Then they don’t have to take it, obviously. Not sure what you’re suggesting.

What about people with mental health disorders that refuse to take their meds? If we agree that obesity is a disease, shouldn’t it be treated?

Yeah, we don't force people to take psychiatric meds either. Or chemotherapy, or the covid vaccine, or literally any medical treatment. Not sure why you think weight loss drugs should be different.

I don’t think they’re mandatory. The problem is what if obese people face further discrimination because others think they should just treat their problem with the meds? That’s what the first PP was saying.

That's definitely not what PP was saying. They have an axe to grind about people who are fat and publicly happy with no weight loss goals "glamorizing" obesity. Weird.

To your point, I do think that as obesity becomes more and more treatable the stigma will increase.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues.

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight. And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above. So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.

You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry.

Look, just because you don't know anyone who has done this in real life, that doesn't mean they don't exist. It's honestly not that rare. Go out to where the fit, healthy people hang out and talk to them, listen to their experience. Some have kept weight off for years or even decades by making permanent changes for the better.

Is it that hard to imagine there are lots of people who have lost weight and never bothered to sign themselves up for a registry?

I think all the people saying it can't be done want to be right because they want to have a justification to take the meds. They are in denial that anyone else could make positive, impactful lifestyle changes that are sustainable. Despite many success stories, including on this very forum.

But it makes them feel better to say it's impossible, no one has control over their fate of becoming obese, and there is nothing they can do about it except taking drugs.

Go ahead, show us some actual data that suggests the odds of permanent weight loss of 50 pounds or more are greater than, say, 10 percent.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

Diet and exercise has failed though. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously.

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it!

Don’t worry, we are! We’re getting out there and getting our prescriptions for weight loss medicine.

YES we are!

After taking Ozempic and understanding what a metabolically healthy person feels in terms of appetite and hunger, I occasionally get a little resentful that I have to take an expensive pharmaceutical to eat normally and be a normal weight. Then I think about all the people who are seething that I now get to lose weight without punishing myself with intense exercise and constant hunger and it makes it all better.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues.

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight. And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above. So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.

You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry.

Look, just because you don't know anyone who has done this in real life, that doesn't mean they don't exist. It's honestly not that rare. Go out to where the fit, healthy people hang out and talk to them, listen to their experience. Some have kept weight off for years or even decades by making permanent changes for the better.

Is it that hard to imagine there are lots of people who have lost weight and never bothered to sign themselves up for a registry?

I think all the people saying it can't be done want to be right because they want to have a justification to take the meds. They are in denial that anyone else could make positive, impactful lifestyle changes that are sustainable. Despite many success stories, including on this very forum.

But it makes them feel better to say it's impossible, no one has control over their fate of becoming obese, and there is nothing they can do about it except taking drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues.

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight. And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above. So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.

You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I am a fat person on Ozempic. I don't like being fat and I don't accuse others of fat shaming. However, I am surprised that people still think they are telling me something new when they talk about healthy eating etc. I've heard it all before, I lost weight countless times, I worked with numerous trainers, I very well aware of how much calories various foods have. I am sure some young people don't know that stuff but everyone over 25 who has struggled with weight pretty much all info they will ever need.

Yep. I guarantee I know more about nutrition than 90% of the population. I have done it ALL. My metabolism sucks, I've been overweight since I was a healthy, active 12 year old. Yes I am capable of being thinner than I am currently, but for me and my body it's practically a full time job to keep my diet as rigid as it needs to be. Who gaf if some medicine makes that job a little easier for me?

If someone is taking ozempic and also eating a terrible diet and not exercising, they will suffer health consequences. That is also true about someone who is naturally thin who does those things. And believe me, plenty of naturally thin people eat like garbage - I'm married to one. These are separate issues.

So that is great, you both are examples of people who are benefitting from the drug and need it because diet and exercise have not worked.

But that doesn't change the fact that diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight. And they are good for you for other health reasons, as stated above. So the message should still be diet and exercise, and if that doesn't work, look into drugs or surgery as a last resort.

You run into walls recreationally, don’t you? It doesn’t matter how many statistics people show you, you really believe that “diet and exercise do work for some people to lose weight.”

Sure. But not many. And the ones who keep it off are so rare there’s actually a registry.

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Anonymous wrote:I see GLP-1 drugs deepening prejudice against obesity. People with good insurance or excess funds will use it. My mom is on medicare and a fixed income and cannot afford the $350/month it would cost her, so she'll continue to be obese unless I buy it for her.

I dunno. Look at Oprah, she's still fat. She definitely can afford it. I don't think this is the magic drug.

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Anonymous wrote:Have the pill poppers revealed their latest findings regarding causes of obesity? TBH, their latest hypothesis of a genetic mutation was not conclusive from a scientific perspective.

Low IQ?

Jabba The Hutt?

I’m not obese, actually. I just hate the rank stupidity on display from you and your dim buddies in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people. They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising. The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated. I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you. The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?" We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails. Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really!

Diet and exercise has failed though. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously.

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it!

95% of people who lose weight by dieting gain it back. Do you think the problem is just that they haven’t read your post yet? Or could it be that telling people to “go out and get it” is not actually an effective way to help them lose weight

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Anonymous wrote:Have the pill poppers revealed their latest findings regarding causes of obesity? TBH, their latest hypothesis of a genetic mutation was not conclusive from a scientific perspective.

Low IQ?

Jabba The Hutt?

Anonymous wrote:I see GLP-1 drugs deepening prejudice against obesity. People with good insurance or excess funds will use it. My mom is on medicare and a fixed income and cannot afford the $350/month it would cost her, so she'll continue to be obese unless I buy it for her.

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Anonymous wrote:Have the pill poppers revealed their latest findings regarding causes of obesity? TBH, their latest hypothesis of a genetic mutation was not conclusive from a scientific perspective.

Low IQ?