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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]IMO we need elder statesmen to be involved in some type of diplomatic resolution (and maybe they are, behind the scenes) Obama, Clinton, Bush, even Jimmy Carter. We need seasoned experienced leaders to get involved and behind this.[/quote]

You are joking.  
The same "seasoned experienced leaders" who have got us where we are?

I agree this administration has failed in its efforts.  And, it makes me angry.
They didn't enact sanctions soon enough. 
They didn't send lethal arms to Ukraine for their defense soon enough, even though they had weeks if not months to do this. 
They are still buying oil from Russia.  
These are the same people who planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan, so I was not optimistic.

But, most of the people you listed are not any more capable of dealing with Russia. Remember Hillary's "reset" with Russia?  Remember what happened to Crimea under Obama?  
And, Jimmy Carter?  Probably the worst in terms of decision making when it comes to foreign policy?
No thanks.  [/quote]

Most of the things you suggest would have rapidly and needlessly escalated the situation. Also would have made it impossible for US to rally support from around the world and would have antagonized China.

We can't keep overstretching ourselves in conflicts around the world. The painful reality is that our leadership has to make very tough choices. I think Biden and team have handled this very well thus far.[/quote]

BS.  The situation escalated on Putin's timeline because we didn't act.  
You are believing the narrative this administration is spinning because they have been utter failures.  [/quote]

The US was warning the world that Putin was going to invade, and no one believed them. Plenty of people on this site didn't believe it. How much could the US have done at that point?[/quote]

Once Putin made the decision to invade, there was nothing the US could have done. Sending in troops to Ukraine would have led to Russians shooting at US soldiers, and vice versa. Does anyone really want the countries that hold the world’s two largest nuclear arsenals shooting at each other?

[b]Honestly, we should have been more aggressive with Putin after he annexed Crimea[/b]. The US and European response to that was weak and sent the message to Putin that he could escalate and the response would not be anything he couldn’t handle. [/quote]

By doing what? Specifically?

And how do you suppose Trump repeating Russian propaganda and the GOP falling in line may have negatively impacted things over the past 4 years?[/quote]

I never said Trump didn’t negatively impact things, but if you’ve been following Russia since 2014, you can see that the cycle of Putin becoming more aggressive globally really started with the Crimea annexation and the lackluster Western response.

Specifically, we should have placed US/NATO forces on high alert and placed US aircraft carriers in the Bosporus strait. European leaders should have called Putin and told him that if he does not withdraw all Russian presence from Crimea (outside of Black Sea fleet access, which we could negotiate), we will not remove the carriers. Blocking him into the Black Sea would have been disastrous for him and I believe there’s a chance he would have backed down at that point. [/quote]

Republicans would not support any democrat president. You reap what you sow. [/quote]

Like I noted.

You can live life under fantasy and conjecture but it’s not healthy so seek help.

But what we DO KNOW and can PROVE:

Under Trump:
Heavy sanctions on Russia 
No Wars 
Russia didn’t invade Ukraine

Under Biden 
Lifted sanctions 
Zelensky and others tried to encourage Biden to our sanctions back on, Biden refused 
Russia invaded Ukraine

Under Obama:
Russia annexes Crimea 
Weak response led by US hurts Russia a little but not enough 
Russia continues to be belligerent

Those are facts we can actually see.

[/quote]
Under trump
- trump meets with Putin by himself who knows what deal was struck. 
- Trump tries to breakup nato
- trump tries to stop all weapon deals with Ukraine
- trump threatens Ukraine
- Putin places bounties on US military personnel
- Russians attack use forces in Syria
- Russian systematically attack US elections
- Russians lunch hacking attacks against US. 
- all conservatives organizations(NRA, etc) are under Russia influence 
- republicans storm the Capitol with Russian support
- all republicans/conservatives fall inline with trump’s Putin love.

Under Democrat President
- republicans/conservatives undermine any action against Russia
- republicans/conservatives blindly support Putin.
- republicans/conservatives work to destroy NATO[/quote]

Once again conjecture with little or no facts.

Lien I said 
Under Trump:
No war
No invasion
Economic prosperity despite the lefts attempts to undermine all of it

Under Biden:
High gas prices 
Empty shelves 
Skyrocketing inflation 
War
Chaos 
Listed sanctions despite resistance from Zelensky and others who said it was a bad idea
Imports more Russian oil

Those are visible and tangible facts.[/quote]

They are also outcomes from previous administrations. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Changes in policy on a national or global scale are hardly ever immediate. Its built upon what has previously happened. [/quote]

With that comment, I think it appropriate to take a trip down memory lane.

[twitter]https://twitter.com/TonyWri19025006/status/1500780379552243714[/twitter][/quote]

With your comment and incorrect memory lane, it is important to correct you.

They laughed at him for being boastful and stupid.

“Even more world leaders appeared to join in mocking Trump last year during his speech at the United Nations. Trump made one of his characteristically hyperbolic claims about his achievements as president — “In less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country” — and drew audible laughter.”[/quote]

It's amazing how correct Trump has proven to have been........[/quote]

It is amazing how deluded and fact resistant Putin’s Poodle’s true believers are.

PP wanted to withdraw the US from NATO, pushed to have Russia admitted to G7 even after they invaded Georgia and Crimea, lied that he won the 2020 election, which he lost by 7 million votes even before people knew the extent of insurrectionist treason that he was willing to orchestrate from the shadows by misleading his MAGA true believers  to carry out an attempted coup after he lost the election. They came very close to overthrowing elected government and killing elected officials, including his loyal VP.

Oh you mean he was right that he could shoot someone in down town NYC in broad day light and get away with it. I’ll concede that for Teflon Don.

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