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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Guys:  Note that the PP actually defended roof's manifesto.  When called out on that, he deflected.  PP "gets" roof.  This isn't about a flag or politics and it isn't about racism for PP.  He is genunely emotionally disturbed.  Only an emotionally disturbed person would use a defense of the manifesto of a mass killer as a pretext for supporting flying of a racist symbol.  PP believes roof was justified.  Most racists.don't kill people and most racists wouldn't bother participating in a discussion like this.  Only a severely emotionally disturbed person who sympathizes with roof because of a shared delusional world outlook would in the way PP has.  He also pretended to be a "jewish girl."[/quote]

I am PP. You are jumping to conclusions. If you want to understand why Roof did what he did, it's probably a good idea to listen to his own words. And it would be wise for the media to do the same and see how they can affect those who are mentally imbalanced. It's up to all of us to be good stewards in word and action.

Pretending to be a Jewish girl? Um, no. That's who I am. But carry on.[/quote]

Simply saying "he was mentally unstable" and declaring case closed and walking away is intellectually dishonest.

Mentally unstable, why not then attack people because he thought they were Alien mind stealers or possessed by Satan or something similarly insane and bizarre?

No, this attack had a lot more specificity, detail and focus to it.

Yes, he was mentally unstable, but the ideas in his head did not come from nowhere.  They did not come out of a vacuum.  Dylann Roof's manifesto was under the moniker "The Last Rhodesian".  He appears in some pictures wearing a jacket with the flags of Apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia.  Those are also symbols in addition to the Confederate flag which are closely associated with the white supremacy movement.  Yet, he is only 21, British Rhodesia ceased to exist long before he was born - its not as though he would have had some other incidental connection.  Likewise, South African Apartheid ended before he was born.  He had to have been taught about those, by someone.  Also, you don't simply stumble across Rhodesian flag patches at your local five and dime, your Wal-mart or elsewhere, that would have had to have been an item that someone either gave to him or which he ordered specially from someone who deals in symbols that most others selling similar articles would not touch with a ten foot pole.  There are so very, very many indications that Dylann Roof was in contact with other white supremacists, that he was studying white supremacy and feeding on and being enabled and empowered by the racist sentiments of others.  Yes, he was mentally unstable, but there is a whole lot more to the story which still needs to be investigated.

Frankly, I think police should investigate everyone whom Dylann Roof was in contact with, to find out which others were espousing similar themes and embracing similar ideologies of white supremacy, to prosecute them alongside Roof as accomplices to the murders, because they too had a hand in this.[/quote]

And none of what you just said logically relates to murdering 9 people. So it's not intellectually dishonest at all.  Charles Manson had his reasons to.  So did the unibomber.  So did McVeigh.  You are mistaking the seeming internal logical consistency closed loop quality of a schizophrenic delusion for an externally verifiable I.e. sane reasoning process.   The manifesto only includes that which the crazy person can weave into the pattern of the delusion.

The vast majority of racist, Rhodesians, and flag flyers don't murder nine people in a church.  None of those things or issues caused roof to murder.  That's like saying we need to analyze Mark David Chapman's reasons on a literal level to "understand" why he killed John Lennon.  Roof didn't kill because of the.media or because of what you or I or anyone else thinks a confederate flag might symbolize in a political debate among mentally healthy people.[/quote]

They might not commit murder themselves, but they certainly do talk about it and advocate for it.  Mind boggling that you would try and pretend is it such a surprise that someone actually took them up on it?  Again, the people that Roof was in contact with on the message board were the ones that filled his head with ideas and advocated for massacring blacks.  They are culpable in this.[/quote]

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