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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I still don't see why having an August 1st cutoff date is a non starter? Wouldn't that solve this entire debate?[/quote]

No it would just change the groups of kids advantaged and disadvantaged.

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I heard the reason they put 6/1 as the cut off is so the kids would be the same age for the entire summer swim season.  I don't think an 8/1 cut off would help fix that problem.  6/1 is the only one that works.[/quote]
8/1 would work the same. Whatever age you would be on 8/1 is the age you swim for the whole season. So instead of kids with June/July birthdays swimming down to the age they were on June 1st, they would swim up to the age they will be on August 1st. It disadvantages the summer birthday kids though, instead of the current advantage they get. [/quote]

But isn't that just as arbitrary?  What does it fix over picking 6/1?[/quote]
I didn’t say it would fix anything, I was responding to an incorrect post that stated using 6/1 was the only way someone would swim in the same age group the whole season. 6/1 and 8/1 are equally arbitrary. I find the passion people have for the 6/1 deadline to be a little over the top though given that it is just as arbitrary as 8/1. My club swimmer, a May birthday kid, could not care less about the cutoff. It’s summer swim, she’s a top swimmer regardless. She cares more that she has a good club short course season birthday. [/quote]

Here's the thing.  I probably come across as passionate.  But what I really feel strongly is that people who sense that someone else has something and then throw a tantrum shouldn't get things changed in their favor.  I mean someone is going to benefit.  I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be my kids, but someone else throwing a tantrum to get it changed so that their kid has the benefit and making up stuff about how "all the rest of swimming does it this way" when they don't, and saying horrible things about kids who legitimately win and set records shouldn't win by getting it changed so their kid is the one who happens to be advantaged.  Like I don't really care what the date is, except I don't want it to be whatever benefits horrible people like OP.

And then the fact that most of the people who are whining seem to be kids who swim club and rec, which is seen as cheating in pretty much every other sport, is so ironic.  [/quote]

As someone whose kid does club and summer I do see your point on the last comment. For us, it was summer swim that led DC to want to do club so they could improve for summer. If doing club prohibited summer, I imagine you’d see a lot lower PVS registrations and a lot more for organizations like Swim Farm, Norman etc.  [/quote]

To be clear, I think the club kids should be welcome.  But I am just pointing out that when a kid who has a billion hours of expensive coaching loses to my kid who only swims summer and then whines that it doesn’t have anything to do with my kid’s hard work or talent and wouldn’t count if we did things the way USA swimming does it, I get annoyed.[/quote]

That’s not the child’s fault for winning, it’s your fault for not doing year round swim. [/quote]

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