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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I still don't see why having an August 1st cutoff date is a non starter? Wouldn't that solve this entire debate?[/quote]

No it would just change the groups of kids advantaged and disadvantaged.

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I heard the reason they put 6/1 as the cut off is so the kids would be the same age for the entire summer swim season.  I don't think an 8/1 cut off would help fix that problem.  6/1 is the only one that works.[/quote]
8/1 would work the same. Whatever age you would be on 8/1 is the age you swim for the whole season. So instead of kids with June/July birthdays swimming down to the age they were on June 1st, they would swim up to the age they will be on August 1st. It disadvantages the summer birthday kids though, instead of the current advantage they get. [/quote]

But isn't that just as arbitrary?  What does it fix over picking 6/1?[/quote]
I didn’t say it would fix anything, I was responding to an incorrect post that stated using 6/1 was the only way someone would swim in the same age group the whole season. 6/1 and 8/1 are equally arbitrary. I find the passion people have for the 6/1 deadline to be a little over the top though given that it is just as arbitrary as 8/1. My club swimmer, a May birthday kid, could not care less about the cutoff. It’s summer swim, she’s a top swimmer regardless. She cares more that she has a good club short course season birthday. [/quote]

Here's the thing.  I probably come across as passionate.  But what I really feel strongly is that people who sense that someone else has something and then throw a tantrum shouldn't get things changed in their favor.  I mean someone is going to benefit.  I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be my kids, but someone else throwing a tantrum to get it changed so that their kid has the benefit and making up stuff about how "all the rest of swimming does it this way" when they don't, and saying horrible things about kids who legitimately win and set records shouldn't win by getting it changed so their kid is the one who happens to be advantaged.  Like I don't really care what the date is, except I don't want it to be whatever benefits horrible people like OP.

And then the fact that most of the people who are whining seem to be kids who swim club and rec, which is seen as cheating in pretty much every other sport, is so ironic.  [/quote]
Let’s be honest, maybe it’s not the case for you, but most of the people vociferously defending 6/1 are people whose kids benefit from it. And most of the people advocating for change are those whose kids are disadvantaged by it. The argument goes round and round because they are different sides of the same coin, neither has more objective merit than the other.

I actually don’t think most of the people complaining are club parents. My kid has the worst summer swim birthday but because she swims year round and is talented, she is going to beat most kids in her age group even in the year she is at the lower end. This is the case for most good club swimmers. Sometimes when she is at the lower end there are some kids that are 2 years older than her that beat her, but that’s the nature of competition, which club parents are used to because it happens whenever their kid ages up.[/quote]

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