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Actually it was pretty stable- especially compared to Europe from about the 13th century through the end of WW1. [/quote]

No, there  was plenty of instability in the OE in the 19th c, which was quite a different time from earlier centuries. In particular the last few years before WW1 saw the Young Turk coup, and an attempted counter coup.

[quote]Ppl need to stop apologizing for US involvement- what we did in Iran was disgusting, what we did in Iraq was disgusting- Secularism (The Baathist agenda) is always stuffed down people's throats. even here- look at the religious pushback against LGBT rights.  
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I am not sure what this means.

[quote]people have the right to self determination- ALL people, even brown ones. We routinely take that away from people. [/quote]

Er,no we do not .  Though in fact the right to self determination does not exist in international law.   The right of states to sovereignty does, which is something quite different.

[quote]If people are ready for democracy they need to fight and bleed and die for it. [/quote]

Many peoples have achieved democracy without bleeding and dying for it.   Not every democracy is a result of violent revolution.

[quote]If ppl (the MAJORITY of Chinese/Majority of UAE subjects/Majority of DANES) like their government they can keep it, [/quote]

And if they do not like it, they will likely keep it anyway. Overthrowing a dictatorship is not that simple, though it happens.

[quote]its not the right of some outside force to come liberate them.[/quote]

While you are broadly correct about international law, there is no particular reason it has to be that way. Certainly under international law a state CAN act internally to liberate people.   And when open fighting has taken place within a state, IE a civil war, it is routine for outsiders to intervene, although the international law is complicated.

[quote] As an example- we can't just remove women from abusive situations, we have to support them but they have to make the choice on their own. [/quote]

Well we could, but in our particular society we choose not to. Anyway I don't think the ethics of how we treat domestic abuse, good or bad, necessarily extends to international affairs.

[quote]And no the Mujahidin/Taliban were very much supported by the US.  [/quote]

Except US intervention ended before the Taliban were formed, and not all mujahadin joined the taliban.  in particular Sheik Massoud, leader of a large part of the mujahadin, fought against and was killed by the Taliban[/quote]

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