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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For what it's worth, as a man, I can easily understand "no means no."  It's clear and unambiguous.

When I was dating, I always took no to mean no, and I did not try to initiate sex or intimacy without a pretty clear signal that it was OK.  Many women told me (usually after we broke up), that the found this irritating and frustrating.  I remember visiting an ex-girlfriend who was home sick from work.  Because she was an ex and not feeling well, sex was not on my radar at all, but she seemed to be acting odd the whole visit.  As I was leaving, she finally told me in exasperation that she wanted to hook up and had been trying to drop hints.  Another time, I woke up to find that a new girlfriend who had told me explicitly that she did not want us to have sex yet had suddenly changed her mind and decided to act on that decision while I was sleeping.   Another ex girlfriend who I had not been good about keeping in touch with spend an evening telling me how mad she was at me and how she really did not ever need to see me again, then when I went to shake her hand (don't know what I was thinking) she snorted and jumped me.

Now that I'm married, my wife wants me to initiate sex, but also tends to say no about 90% of the time.  At this point, I've pretty much given up asking.  And yet she wonders why we are not more intimate.

I guess what I'm saying is that no should mean no and women will likely be happiest if they initiate sex sometimes and/or clearly say "yes" or "maybe" or "later" when that's what they are thinking.  [/quote]

And thus, Fonzie's advice to Richie (slightly paraphrased)...
"When a woman says no, she means yes. However, when a woman says, I'm about to call the police, she's about to call the police."

I'm in a BDSM set up with my wife. She's the submissive. One of the boundaries set up at the beginning is that she doesn't get to say no, which is called  "consensual non-consent."  I must specify that you need to have such a discussion before you make an assumption.

While BDSM is the extreme, it does go to show that there are many women who want to be forcefully taken, and you need to know who/when that is, lest they get annoyed with you like this guy here is describing.

It also explains why women "love their husbands" but need to get FUCKED by that other guy.

The feminists will call me out on it, but that's just because I'm pure ASCII on their computer/phone screens and their animal side isn't kicking in. [/quote]

very true but it's gotten to the point that its not worth even the slightest assault accusation.

Women can now lie in their bed bitching on DCUM about why men just don't want to take them anymore like it's the 50's. [/quote]

I don't disagree with you. This just goes to show how women lie (I mean, miscommunicate) to men about what they really want. In truth, many want a provider and a savage. If they get lucky, one guy is both. Rarely is one guy both, so they abuse the provider at home (nagging, suggesting he help with everything, withhold sex because she's "not in the mood") and fuck the savage on the side, doing all the acts she told her husband she would never do (or never do again).

Feminists created this situation and now they want to blame men for it. [/quote]

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