Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 12:39     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:Rapists helped create this situation, but they're very happy to blame feminists for it.


I'm not disputing that rapists created the situation, but feminists exacerbate the problem by making sure the male in any relationship adheres to "no means no" while simultaneously faulting him for not knowing when "no doesn't mean no" without a specific conversation.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 11:51     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Rapists helped create this situation, but they're very happy to blame feminists for it.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 11:23     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For what it's worth, as a man, I can easily understand "no means no." It's clear and unambiguous.

When I was dating, I always took no to mean no, and I did not try to initiate sex or intimacy without a pretty clear signal that it was OK. Many women told me (usually after we broke up), that the found this irritating and frustrating. I remember visiting an ex-girlfriend who was home sick from work. Because she was an ex and not feeling well, sex was not on my radar at all, but she seemed to be acting odd the whole visit. As I was leaving, she finally told me in exasperation that she wanted to hook up and had been trying to drop hints. Another time, I woke up to find that a new girlfriend who had told me explicitly that she did not want us to have sex yet had suddenly changed her mind and decided to act on that decision while I was sleeping. Another ex girlfriend who I had not been good about keeping in touch with spend an evening telling me how mad she was at me and how she really did not ever need to see me again, then when I went to shake her hand (don't know what I was thinking) she snorted and jumped me.

Now that I'm married, my wife wants me to initiate sex, but also tends to say no about 90% of the time. At this point, I've pretty much given up asking. And yet she wonders why we are not more intimate.

I guess what I'm saying is that no should mean no and women will likely be happiest if they initiate sex sometimes and/or clearly say "yes" or "maybe" or "later" when that's what they are thinking.


And thus, Fonzie's advice to Richie (slightly paraphrased)...
"When a woman says no, she means yes. However, when a woman says, I'm about to call the police, she's about to call the police."

I'm in a BDSM set up with my wife. She's the submissive. One of the boundaries set up at the beginning is that she doesn't get to say no, which is called "consensual non-consent." I must specify that you need to have such a discussion before you make an assumption.

While BDSM is the extreme, it does go to show that there are many women who want to be forcefully taken, and you need to know who/when that is, lest they get annoyed with you like this guy here is describing.

It also explains why women "love their husbands" but need to get FUCKED by that other guy.

The feminists will call me out on it, but that's just because I'm pure ASCII on their computer/phone screens and their animal side isn't kicking in.


very true but it's gotten to the point that its not worth even the slightest assault accusation.

Women can now lie in their bed bitching on DCUM about why men just don't want to take them anymore like it's the 50's.


I don't disagree with you. This just goes to show how women lie (I mean, miscommunicate) to men about what they really want. In truth, many want a provider and a savage. If they get lucky, one guy is both. Rarely is one guy both, so they abuse the provider at home (nagging, suggesting he help with everything, withhold sex because she's "not in the mood") and fuck the savage on the side, doing all the acts she told her husband she would never do (or never do again).

Feminists created this situation and now they want to blame men for it.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 11:20     Subject: Re:Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:
Hot guy being aggressive = hell yes
Ugly guy being aggressive = rapist


Said by a true rapey asshole who's bitter at being rejected.

So you are saying women are rapey assholes?
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 11:00     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For what it's worth, as a man, I can easily understand "no means no." It's clear and unambiguous.

When I was dating, I always took no to mean no, and I did not try to initiate sex or intimacy without a pretty clear signal that it was OK. Many women told me (usually after we broke up), that the found this irritating and frustrating. I remember visiting an ex-girlfriend who was home sick from work. Because she was an ex and not feeling well, sex was not on my radar at all, but she seemed to be acting odd the whole visit. As I was leaving, she finally told me in exasperation that she wanted to hook up and had been trying to drop hints. Another time, I woke up to find that a new girlfriend who had told me explicitly that she did not want us to have sex yet had suddenly changed her mind and decided to act on that decision while I was sleeping. Another ex girlfriend who I had not been good about keeping in touch with spend an evening telling me how mad she was at me and how she really did not ever need to see me again, then when I went to shake her hand (don't know what I was thinking) she snorted and jumped me.

Now that I'm married, my wife wants me to initiate sex, but also tends to say no about 90% of the time. At this point, I've pretty much given up asking. And yet she wonders why we are not more intimate.

I guess what I'm saying is that no should mean no and women will likely be happiest if they initiate sex sometimes and/or clearly say "yes" or "maybe" or "later" when that's what they are thinking.


And thus, Fonzie's advice to Richie (slightly paraphrased)...
"When a woman says no, she means yes. However, when a woman says, I'm about to call the police, she's about to call the police."

I'm in a BDSM set up with my wife. She's the submissive. One of the boundaries set up at the beginning is that she doesn't get to say no, which is called "consensual non-consent." I must specify that you need to have such a discussion before you make an assumption.

While BDSM is the extreme, it does go to show that there are many women who want to be forcefully taken, and you need to know who/when that is, lest they get annoyed with you like this guy here is describing.

It also explains why women "love their husbands" but need to get FUCKED by that other guy.

The feminists will call me out on it, but that's just because I'm pure ASCII on their computer/phone screens and their animal side isn't kicking in.


very true but it's gotten to the point that its not worth even the slightest assault accusation.

Women can now lie in their bed bitching on DCUM about why men just don't want to take them anymore like it's the 50's.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 10:59     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Love it when my DH is aggressive & pushy. So hot. No political correctness in my bedroom please.


Exactly . No real man is a liberal .


You are so right. The Starr Report confirmed that Bill Clinton was a Democrat in name only.

Obama, who routes tax revenue to private health insurers, must be an absolute hairy beast, shoving Michelle into that little closet just off the Lincoln bedroom just whenever he wants.

Let's see...who was the last real liberal? JFK? Yeah, women had no attraction to him.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 10:49     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
I'm a feminist, but not a radical feminist. I like forceful guys. It is hot. Glad my guy isn't afraid to give it a try.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 10:22     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:For what it's worth, as a man, I can easily understand "no means no." It's clear and unambiguous.

When I was dating, I always took no to mean no, and I did not try to initiate sex or intimacy without a pretty clear signal that it was OK. Many women told me (usually after we broke up), that the found this irritating and frustrating. I remember visiting an ex-girlfriend who was home sick from work. Because she was an ex and not feeling well, sex was not on my radar at all, but she seemed to be acting odd the whole visit. As I was leaving, she finally told me in exasperation that she wanted to hook up and had been trying to drop hints. Another time, I woke up to find that a new girlfriend who had told me explicitly that she did not want us to have sex yet had suddenly changed her mind and decided to act on that decision while I was sleeping. Another ex girlfriend who I had not been good about keeping in touch with spend an evening telling me how mad she was at me and how she really did not ever need to see me again, then when I went to shake her hand (don't know what I was thinking) she snorted and jumped me.

Now that I'm married, my wife wants me to initiate sex, but also tends to say no about 90% of the time. At this point, I've pretty much given up asking. And yet she wonders why we are not more intimate.

I guess what I'm saying is that no should mean no and women will likely be happiest if they initiate sex sometimes and/or clearly say "yes" or "maybe" or "later" when that's what they are thinking.


And thus, Fonzie's advice to Richie (slightly paraphrased)...
"When a woman says no, she means yes. However, when a woman says, I'm about to call the police, she's about to call the police."

I'm in a BDSM set up with my wife. She's the submissive. One of the boundaries set up at the beginning is that she doesn't get to say no, which is called "consensual non-consent." I must specify that you need to have such a discussion before you make an assumption.

While BDSM is the extreme, it does go to show that there are many women who want to be forcefully taken, and you need to know who/when that is, lest they get annoyed with you like this guy here is describing.

It also explains why women "love their husbands" but need to get FUCKED by that other guy.

The feminists will call me out on it, but that's just because I'm pure ASCII on their computer/phone screens and their animal side isn't kicking in.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 10:09     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:Love it when my DH is aggressive & pushy. So hot. No political correctness in my bedroom please.


Exactly . No real man is a liberal .
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 09:32     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
For what it's worth, as a man, I can easily understand "no means no." It's clear and unambiguous.

When I was dating, I always took no to mean no, and I did not try to initiate sex or intimacy without a pretty clear signal that it was OK. Many women told me (usually after we broke up), that the found this irritating and frustrating. I remember visiting an ex-girlfriend who was home sick from work. Because she was an ex and not feeling well, sex was not on my radar at all, but she seemed to be acting odd the whole visit. As I was leaving, she finally told me in exasperation that she wanted to hook up and had been trying to drop hints. Another time, I woke up to find that a new girlfriend who had told me explicitly that she did not want us to have sex yet had suddenly changed her mind and decided to act on that decision while I was sleeping. Another ex girlfriend who I had not been good about keeping in touch with spend an evening telling me how mad she was at me and how she really did not ever need to see me again, then when I went to shake her hand (don't know what I was thinking) she snorted and jumped me.

Now that I'm married, my wife wants me to initiate sex, but also tends to say no about 90% of the time. At this point, I've pretty much given up asking. And yet she wonders why we are not more intimate.

I guess what I'm saying is that no should mean no and women will likely be happiest if they initiate sex sometimes and/or clearly say "yes" or "maybe" or "later" when that's what they are thinking.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 08:54     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Being blunt is a turnoff for a lot of guys.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 08:41     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Some (not all) of the pleas for "social awareness" and to take cues and the like seem to be a desire by women to maintain plausible deniability as to their sexual desires and level of attraction to a man.

Coming out and stating explicitly what you want can be scary and embarrassing.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 07:30     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:Hot guy being aggressive = hell yes
Ugly guy being aggressive = rapist


I think the line between creep and hot guy is more about social awareness. The socially inept who guy can't read the other person is going to come off as creepy because he's not following social norms. Not following the social norms makes someone unpredictable and a little scary. The guys who can read people and adjust their behavior accordingly are always going to get more chicks.

I prefer an aggressive man, as long as he can tell the difference between a request to chase and a firm no. If he knows me already, it isn't hard to tell the difference between the two. A soft no is a request for reassurance, but only if it's with someone I'm in a relationship with. A guy in a bar who's being too agressive is going to get shot down. I'm not into that because the expectations aren't clear. It's awkward and a little frightening. If I know my guy has my best interests in mind, he can get away with grabbing me and saying, not asking, what he plans to do.

I almost always respond positively to his advances. I think that makes him willing to aggressively put himself out there. Even if I don't drop everything and run toward the bedroom, I respond with eye contact, touch and a promise for what will happen later. I keep those promises. This way, he knows I see and appreciate his effort and interest in me. I initiate too, but not so much that I offend him.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2014 06:51     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:I like it when a guy is respectful and makes sure that I am "consenting" when we first get together. After I have kissed you or gone further, I welcome a more aggressive approach regarding things we have already done. After I have slept with a guy once and he knows we are continuing in a relationship, I love it when he throws me on the bed and takes charge. I wouldn't want it quite that aggressive the first time, though.

As another concrete example. If we have had sex in several interesting positions, he doesn't need to ask to do those again. On the other hand, if he decided to try anal without asking -- I'd kick his ass.

All in all, I have found that men respect concrete boundaries. I try not to give off mixed signals. So far (maybe I am lucky), no one has ever done anything I would consider even slightly rapey. I grew up with brothers and am not afraid to speak my mind around men. While I do acknowledge that there are sexually aggressive men who don't listen to no, I think the vast majority of men will respect a firm no.


this is a woman i can respect and would want all women to pattern themselves in this aspect. you make it very easy to understand for men without fearing an assault charge. excellent.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2014 23:56     Subject: Men Should Be Aggressive Except When They Shouldn't
Anonymous wrote:Hot guy being aggressive = hell yes
Ugly guy being aggressive = rapist


Said by a true rapey asshole who's bitter at being rejected.