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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima]Love how people make blanket statements about Gazans and Palestinians. Gazans love and support the resistance fighting for their liberation,  regardless of what any poll says. They are standing with the resistance.....[/quote]

Why do you claim to speak for them? I cant imagine they are happy that their leaders allow them to be bombed and block access to the bunkers for safety. Or that they support militants fighting from their schools and hospitals.  Unless, they are all terrorists and in that case, they are not innocent civilians.  You cant have it both way. [/quote]

I speak for them because though I'm not there,  I have family and friends there and that's what they related to me. They stand and support the resistance! You can call them terrorists if you want,  anyone who has ever fought for their freedom through history was called a terrorist at some point and some went on to earn Nobel peace prizes. Maybe, one day my grandchildren will live in a world where a Hamas leader will get a Nobel peace prize, but a girl can dream right? [/quote]

Not the ones who fought for freedom but indiscriminately attacking civilians - thats the difference. [/quote]

Do you really know so little about history? Menachem Begin led the Irgun which, among other acts, blew up the Kind David Hotel. That attack killed many civilians, including a number of Jews. Just Google "Irgun" and see other acts that terrorist group committed. Begin went on to not only be the Prime Minister of Israel, but win the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Your reasoning is similar to saying that F.W. de Klerk did not deserve the Nobel Peace Prize because he was initially very conservative, before turning against his previous principals and working with Nelson Mandela to end Apartheid. Menachem Begin did not win the Nobel Peace Prize for his actions in the Irgun, but rather for achieving peace with Egypt, and the Egyptian president Anwar Sadat also won the Nobel Peace Prize at the same time. [/quote]

Where did I say that Begin didn't deserve the Nobel? I'm sure that you have a great record defeating straw men that you create, but please stick to what I say rather than inventing things.

If you bothered to read the thread, you would see that the poster to whom I replied doesn't believe that people like Begin exist. They do exist. Because they exist, it is a fallacy to say things like "Hamas can never be a partner in peace." 
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It seemed like there was an implication of Begin not deserving the Nobel Prize, given that he, and the Irgun, have repeatedly, across multiple threads, been used as an example of Israeli terrorism. As for reading the thread, I did read the thread, and you cannot get the Nobel Peace Prize for violent actions. You can get it, however, for non-violent actions, even if you have committed non-violent actions in the past.[/quote]

Right, and if you freeze water, it becomes ice. Citing irrelevant facts is, well, irrelevant.  Here is how the conversation went:

"anyone who has ever fought for their freedom through history was called a terrorist at some point and some went on to earn Nobel peace prizes"

"Not the ones who fought for freedom but indiscriminately attacking civilians - thats the difference."

"Menachem Begin led the Irgun which, among other acts, blew up the Kind David Hotel."

Then you: "Look over there! A straw man!"

So, again, as Begin demonstrates, today's terrorists can be tomorrow's Peace Prize winners. Therefore, it is unwise to say things such as "Hamas can never be a partner in peace".
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I interpreted it as those people winning Nobel Peace Prizes for their actions. I probably interpreted wrong. As for today's terrorists possibly being tomorrow's Nobel Peace Prize winners, that is possible in some cases, so Hamas may someday in the future be a partner in peace, but now I don't think that is possible.[/quote]

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