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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, what do you consider "good"?  Can you list examples (not involving the church or God) that make a person good in your opinion?  What sorts of behaviors make a person good?[/quote]

Not calling somebody brain-dead just because you differ with them on anything at all, like religion or favorite colors or Virginia vs. MD.
Not calling somebody drunk or stupid because you want to avoid responding to a question.

A respectful discussion of belief and atheism? Let's do it! I'm fine with that! Unfortunately, [b]it will likely get derailed within one page [/b]by the "believers are braindead" posters.[/quote]

Ok, let me clarify please.

Every day life examples not dcum examples.  :wink:  Minor things, major things?  Volunteering, working with the less fortunate, simply getting through a day without mocking or judging someone?  Helping out where and when you can, recycling, not belittling people.  Those sorts of things and of course anything else that comes to mind.  IE:  A friend of mine recently slipped and fell on some ice while crossing a busy intersection.  Numerous people (roughly our age group -- early to mid 40's) carried on right past her.  It was a young guy.. in his 20s likely.. who stopped and helped her.  He actually held her arm while they crossed the rest of the way and didn't treat her like an old lady.

I agree with the bolded part, unfortunately.[/quote]

OP here (I'm not 12:04, just to be clear).  Yes, I think the people who walked past your friend are not what I'd call "good" people. We could talk about lots of different ethical situations, such as what our obligation is when we find a $100 bill in the street, and how hard we should try to return it. If it were a $20 bill, would our answers change?  Although I'm sure we'd agree on a number of different ethical situations, I'm not sure how productive it would be for you and me to go down the list of possible ethical responses to numerous difficult situations, and that's not what I was going for here.

To be clear myself, I was responding to a particular thread, here:  http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/367829.page .  On it, atheists were talking about "being good without god" even as they were calling believers "brainless." I assume it was the same atheists making both points, because they were on a single thread. I could be wrong. But in this recent DCUM thread, that struck me as hypocrisy, and that's what I was calling out. My point was, "Do as I say, not what I do" applies to believers and atheists alike. [/quote]

OK. I am the poster who asked about what you think makes a person good.  I also believe people can be good without God/religion.  I did not, and do not, call believers brainless or any other name that implies they are less of a person than I am.  Which means that this thread really doesn't apply to me, or a whole lot of others.

With the title of this thread in particular  it seems you are painting all athiests with the same brush.  Clarifying that you were referring to a particular thread to start with would have been good. :)[/quote]

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