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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I work in HR and [b]this is really weird and dumb of Hr as they are handing Ee 1 a way to challenge their termination[/b].

I’m assuming there is no union here?

I think the best Ee 2 can do is request to put a written response on their personnel file which should be as succinct as possible and just set out the facts.  Ideally. Ee 2 could also try their managers to write a letter for the file that says it was very helpful for ee 2 to  point out these deficiencies, and that he/she does not see any basis for concluding that reporting the deficiencies in any way violated company policy.  [/quote]

This is good to hear from and HR person and lines up with our thinking. That's likely exactly what Employee 1 is looking for because the writing was on the wall once they were placed on PIP. You are correct - there is no union.

The problem is that HR refuses to meet or engage in any way. I believe HR is legally required to provide employees guidance on HR issues, including how they can challenge HR decisions. Looking for advice on this forum is the last resort to find solutions that don't cost an arm and a leg. An employment attorney will come next if we cannot avoid going that route. [/quote]

Who is “our” and “we”? [/quote]

"Our" and "we" refer to the family. As I mentioned in a different post, Employee 2 reads this forum only when I send them a link (most likely doesn't know that this thread even exists). [/quote]

Professional in HR space (NALNLA).

Your assumptions OP are factually incorrect and if I had to guess I’d bet this is an issue that one of your kids is dealing with. You’re trying to be helpful but you’re going to harm your family members career. You’re welcome to pay for an employment attorney to tell you the same thing.

Does your family member have an employment contract or are they at will? If they are at will, they can be fired just because(unless they work for a for cause employer, most people do not). Annoying HR by saying that HR is inept is a great way to find themselves unemployed. It’s a brutal market right now, tread carefully.

The primary function of HR is to protect the organization and mitigate risk. It also manages basic employment functions like benefits and payroll. None of that is making sure that employees are being treated fairly, unless that mitigates legal risk.

Why did your family member go to HR about a peer? Were they being harmed(like sexually harassed) by the peer? Or was the peer getting away with stuff that your family member thought was unfair? This seems like your family member is acting outside their leadership scope, which they’ve now been warned about and should move on from. [/quote]

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