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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction,  office cleaning companies, and hospitals.  Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.[/quote]

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH. [/quote]

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

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My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back. [/quote]

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