Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Wow. So let me get this straight: you're comparing undocumented workers who mop hospital floors, care for our elders, build our homes, and harvest our food to carjackers?

That’s not just a bad analogy, it’s an astounding moral failure on your part, that you're trying to masquerade as policy concern. Carjackers steal property through violence. Migrant workers, documented or not, give labor through sweat and sacrifice, often under exploitative conditions that benefit the very businesses you claim to care about.

If you think the economy runs on patriotic slogans rather than actual labor, try running a nursing home without aides, or a harvest without pickers. Spoiler: it doesn’t work.

And invoking Trump as if he solved this? His policies gutted legal immigration pathways while quietly relying on the same labor force he publicly demonized. The hypocrisy is staggering.

You want reform? Great. But start by recognizing the difference between a worker and a criminal. Because if you can’t tell the difference, maybe it’s not the immigrants who are the problem.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Five more Democrat seats. I hope other Blue states will follow suit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/california-moving-forward-partisan-redistricting-184702122.html

This. Governor Newsom is a true leader.

He lead his state into a huge 25 billion dollar budget deficit! Maybe paying for healthcare and free college for millions of illegals was not a such a great
Idea?

Yeah, no. Not so great.

Oh wait you think budget deficits are bad?

DP.
No, Newsom is not a "true leader." He took his state from a nearly $100 billion surplus to a nearly $50 billion deficit. That is NOT leadership.
He is like a used car salesman. Talks a good game. Looks slick. But, will sell you a lemon in a hot second.
Actually, Newsom gives used car salesmen a bad name.

How California’s bursting budget morphed into a $45 billion deficit in just two years
https://calmatters.org/commentary/2024/05/california-budget-surplus-became-deficit/
The much-revised 2024-25 state budget that Gov. Gavin Newsom released last week contains hundreds of spending reductions and other actions to close what he says is a $44.9 billion deficit.

Exactly two years earlier, Newsom boasted as the state enjoyed a $97.5 billion budget surplus, thanks to surging revenues from the post-pandemic economic recovery.

“No other state in American history has ever experienced a surplus as large as this,” Newsom said as he unveiled a revised $300 billion 2022-23 budget, which was $14 billion higher than his original proposal.

The budget he signed a month later was even larger, $307 billion, with immense new commitments, including cash payments to poor families and expansions of health care and early childhood education.

So, one must wonder, how did a $97.5 billion surplus morph into a huge deficit and a budget that is pulling back much of the new spending Newsom and the Legislature had so eagerly approved?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

lol yeah sure. Oh those tricky democrats

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Five more Democrat seats. I hope other Blue states will follow suit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/california-moving-forward-partisan-redistricting-184702122.html

This. Governor Newsom is a true leader.

He lead his state into a huge 25 billion dollar budget deficit! Maybe paying for healthcare and free college for millions of illegals was not a such a great
Idea?

Yeah, no. Not so great.

Oh wait you think budget deficits are bad?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Five more Democrat seats. I hope other Blue states will follow suit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/california-moving-forward-partisan-redistricting-184702122.html

This. Governor Newsom is a true leader.

He lead his state into a huge 25 billion dollar budget deficit! Maybe paying for healthcare and free college for millions of illegals was not a such a great
Idea?

Yeah, no. Not so great.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

My argument was not about whether we need immigrants. And yes, need a good migrant worker program.

My issue is that people advocating we need undocumented immigrant workers. We need properly vetted immigrant workers and a system that penalizes both people crossing the border without permission and corporations employing undocumented / visa overstay people. We also need to stop the exploitation of the H1 visa pretending that American graduates of the same institutions as their foreign counterparts are too stupid to work in STEM fields. We all know the issue is labor costs. These things lead to the exploitation of immigrants Ans neglect of the domestic population.

The truth is Democrats and Republicans need each other to stay in power. Dems are silently (and some not so silently) cheering on Trump both bc they see his tactics as unpopular (therefore helpful to Dems in next election cycle) and an opportunity to use them against their opponents without getting their own hands dirty.

We need to get off the D&R hamster wheel.

I tend to vote democrats (grew up in a typical dem household that did not allow any other way) but I ultimately do not trust them. They will hug you while putting a knife in your back.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't know what Newsom is referring to when he talks about sharing records, but I appreciate his trolling of Diaper Don. Dems need to punch back every...single...time...Trump participates in acts of of performative intimidation.

Priceless! Newsom always suppressed his edgy side and remained dignified. Trump FAFOd. Karoline should stock up. Those Depends aren’t going to buy themselves. Maybe she can dip into her husband’s stockpile.

These are so great I look forward to his new posts, the trolling is top tier, hilarious!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

This. Democrats should NEVER campaign on open borders (nor in fact have we ever campaigned on that). But the US lacks low-skill workers who are willing to work in the agricultural sector. We actually do have a guest worker program, and Democrats should campaign on strengthening it to better secure the border against illegal crossing, while supporting agribusiness in the US. And, once again, native-born Americans are not interested in farm work for any reasonable wage.

Businesses are not interested in guest workers. They want illegal immigrants that they can pay less, and ignore other rules.

Anonymous wrote:It may not be as easy as Newsom is hoping.
A Politico poll shows 64% of Californians will vote against Newsom‘s new maps.

This is Gavin Newsom attempting to virtue signal his way into the White House at a cost of $150 million to California taxpayers.

They should say the legislature can rewrite the maps for Congress but keep the commission for state legislature.
They don't want the legislature picking its own voters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

This. Democrats should NEVER campaign on open borders (nor in fact have we ever campaigned on that). But the US lacks low-skill workers who are willing to work in the agricultural sector. We actually do have a guest worker program, and Democrats should campaign on strengthening it to better secure the border against illegal crossing, while supporting agribusiness in the US. And, once again, native-born Americans are not interested in farm work for any reasonable wage.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may not be as easy as Newsom is hoping.
A Politico poll shows 64% of Californians will vote against Newsom‘s new maps.

This is Gavin Newsom attempting to virtue signal his way into the White House at a cost of $150 million to California taxpayers.

They back doing things right, but they might not back it in the face of Texas cheating.

Virtue signaling?

He’s trying to save the country, sport.

<3 you

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Economies need people. Giving out work visas would work just fine. And actually before the republicans decided “the border” was a great wedge issue, many people traveled here seasonally for work, leaving their families in their home countries. And everyone was happy.

Ask yourself why doesn’t the GOP trifecta just mandate e-verify and put some $$ into making sure it works?

Anonymous wrote:MAGAS are finding out that those illegals played an important role in keeping businesses as float.

Undocumented workers were a major number of employees in nursing homes, construction, office cleaning companies, and hospitals. Don't forget the fruit and vegetables rotting on the vine because US citizens won't do these jobs.

This ^ is why people hate us so much. This argument about needing (with the implicit understanding of keeping people) undocumented is wrong. It’s like saying we need carjackers and other car thieves to keep the car industry afloat. Do we need immigrants? Absolutely. Should we let undocumented, including people overstaying their visas, decide whether they can stay in this country? No.

And we wonder why people voted for Trump. SMH.

Anonymous wrote:Don't know what Newsom is referring to when he talks about sharing records, but I appreciate his trolling of Diaper Don. Dems need to punch back every...single...time...Trump participates in acts of of performative intimidation.

Not enthralled with Newsom. But this is some next level trolling.

Kudos.