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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?[/quote]

There are not many big clubs at this meet.  The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.[/quote]

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs.  It certainly takes a faster time to final.  It’s a really fast meet. [/quote]

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet.  Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast. [/quote]
To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI.  Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts.  NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".  [/quote]

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable?  So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?[/quote]
No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.[/quote]

That is what I I figured.  Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable.  NCI is much faster.  Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals. [/quote]
Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one. [/quote]
To be fair though, using the 200 free example, you can final at Winter Classic with a time that wouldn’t qualify to swim at NCI, let alone make finals.[/quote]
No one is arguing that NCI is a much faster meet. No one is saying that all WC swimmers would make NCI. People are twisting words to make sure everyone knows NCI is a faster meet. Right on cue when the subject comes up. We get it. We got it before all this too. 
I was reacting to one post that said WC exists for the not fast kids. And “to be fair though”, I pointed out that it’s not a backup meet for NCI, as the participating clubs are different at each meet and that there are several WC swimmers that do make NCI. That’s it, that’s all I was getting at. Let’s move on. 
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