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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable? So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?

No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.

That is what I I figured. Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable. NCI is much faster. Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals.

Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one.

To be fair though, using the 200 free example, you can final at Winter Classic with a time that wouldn’t qualify to swim at NCI, let alone make finals.

No one is arguing that NCI is a much faster meet. No one is saying that all WC swimmers would make NCI. People are twisting words to make sure everyone knows NCI is a faster meet. Right on cue when the subject comes up. We get it. We got it before all this too.
I was reacting to one post that said WC exists for the not fast kids. And “to be fair though”, I pointed out that it’s not a backup meet for NCI, as the participating clubs are different at each meet and that there are several WC swimmers that do make NCI. That’s it, that’s all I was getting at. Let’s move on.

Clearly you’re really defensive about this, but there were posters saying that “most” Winter Classic swimmers would qualify for NCI, and I don’t think that’s true just by virtue of the fact that there aren’t time standards for most events at Winter Classic. I do understand that not every team is invited to NCI or RMSC Holiday Invitational, so you will have some fast swimmers at Winter Classic who will dominate that meet and could final at NCI, but there’s a pretty steep drop off from the 8th place finisher at NCI and the 8th place finisher at Winter Classic.

Which post said “most”? I must not see it.
Which post implied the NCI-qualifying swimmers at WC would final at NCI? I must not see those either.
I probably am defensive and I apologize. But this forum has several threads where people smugly rush to announce that NCI is faster than WC, even though no one is saying it’s not. Of course it is!
I’m just tired of parents that have superiority complexes because their kid is faster than other people’s and love to put down other people because of something they themselves aren’t even accomplishing.
Btw, I have a nationally-ranked swimmer in multiple events, so this isn’t sour grapes. They dont attend either meet.

I have a nationally ranked swimmer as well and they won't be attending the Winter Classic, NCI, Winter Juniors, or the US Open, even though they have cuts for all of those meets. Instead, they will be attending the IMX meet our club is hosting at the end of December!

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable? So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?

No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.

That is what I I figured. Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable. NCI is much faster. Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals.

Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one.

To be fair though, using the 200 free example, you can final at Winter Classic with a time that wouldn’t qualify to swim at NCI, let alone make finals.

No one is arguing that NCI is a much faster meet. No one is saying that all WC swimmers would make NCI. People are twisting words to make sure everyone knows NCI is a faster meet. Right on cue when the subject comes up. We get it. We got it before all this too.
I was reacting to one post that said WC exists for the not fast kids. And “to be fair though”, I pointed out that it’s not a backup meet for NCI, as the participating clubs are different at each meet and that there are several WC swimmers that do make NCI. That’s it, that’s all I was getting at. Let’s move on.

Clearly you’re really defensive about this, but there were posters saying that “most” Winter Classic swimmers would qualify for NCI, and I don’t think that’s true just by virtue of the fact that there aren’t time standards for most events at Winter Classic. I do understand that not every team is invited to NCI or RMSC Holiday Invitational, so you will have some fast swimmers at Winter Classic who will dominate that meet and could final at NCI, but there’s a pretty steep drop off from the 8th place finisher at NCI and the 8th place finisher at Winter Classic.

Which post said “most”? I must not see it.
Which post implied the NCI-qualifying swimmers at WC would final at NCI? I must not see those either.
I probably am defensive and I apologize. But this forum has several threads where people smugly rush to announce that NCI is faster than WC, even though no one is saying it’s not. Of course it is!
I’m just tired of parents that have superiority complexes because their kid is faster than other people’s and love to put down other people because of something they themselves aren’t even accomplishing.
Btw, I have a nationally-ranked swimmer in multiple events, so this isn’t sour grapes. They dont attend either meet.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable? So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?

No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.

That is what I I figured. Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable. NCI is much faster. Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals.

Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one.

To be fair though, using the 200 free example, you can final at Winter Classic with a time that wouldn’t qualify to swim at NCI, let alone make finals.

No one is arguing that NCI is a much faster meet. No one is saying that all WC swimmers would make NCI. People are twisting words to make sure everyone knows NCI is a faster meet. Right on cue when the subject comes up. We get it. We got it before all this too.
I was reacting to one post that said WC exists for the not fast kids. And “to be fair though”, I pointed out that it’s not a backup meet for NCI, as the participating clubs are different at each meet and that there are several WC swimmers that do make NCI. That’s it, that’s all I was getting at. Let’s move on.

Clearly you’re really defensive about this, but there were posters saying that “most” Winter Classic swimmers would qualify for NCI, and I don’t think that’s true just by virtue of the fact that there aren’t time standards for most events at Winter Classic. I do understand that not every team is invited to NCI or RMSC Holiday Invitational, so you will have some fast swimmers at Winter Classic who will dominate that meet and could final at NCI, but there’s a pretty steep drop off from the 8th place finisher at NCI and the 8th place finisher at Winter Classic.

Which post said “most”? I must not see it.
Which post implied the NCI-qualifying swimmers at WC would final at NCI? I must not see those either.
I probably am defensive and I apologize. But this forum has several threads where people smugly rush to announce that NCI is faster than WC, even though no one is saying it’s not. Of course it is!
I’m just tired of parents that have superiority complexes because their kid is faster than other people’s and love to put down other people because of something they themselves aren’t even accomplishing.
Btw, I have a nationally-ranked swimmer in multiple events, so this isn’t sour grapes. They dont attend either meet.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable? So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?

No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.

That is what I I figured. Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable. NCI is much faster. Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals.

Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one.

To be fair though, using the 200 free example, you can final at Winter Classic with a time that wouldn’t qualify to swim at NCI, let alone make finals.

No one is arguing that NCI is a much faster meet. No one is saying that all WC swimmers would make NCI. People are twisting words to make sure everyone knows NCI is a faster meet. Right on cue when the subject comes up. We get it. We got it before all this too.
I was reacting to one post that said WC exists for the not fast kids. And “to be fair though”, I pointed out that it’s not a backup meet for NCI, as the participating clubs are different at each meet and that there are several WC swimmers that do make NCI. That’s it, that’s all I was getting at. Let’s move on.

Clearly you’re really defensive about this, but there were posters saying that “most” Winter Classic swimmers would qualify for NCI, and I don’t think that’s true just by virtue of the fact that there aren’t time standards for most events at Winter Classic. I do understand that not every team is invited to NCI or RMSC Holiday Invitational, so you will have some fast swimmers at Winter Classic who will dominate that meet and could final at NCI, but there’s a pretty steep drop off from the 8th place finisher at NCI and the 8th place finisher at Winter Classic.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable? So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?

No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.

That is what I I figured. Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable. NCI is much faster. Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals.

Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one.

To be fair though, using the 200 free example, you can final at Winter Classic with a time that wouldn’t qualify to swim at NCI, let alone make finals.

No one is arguing that NCI is a much faster meet. No one is saying that all WC swimmers would make NCI. People are twisting words to make sure everyone knows NCI is a faster meet. Right on cue when the subject comes up. We get it. We got it before all this too.
I was reacting to one post that said WC exists for the not fast kids. And “to be fair though”, I pointed out that it’s not a backup meet for NCI, as the participating clubs are different at each meet and that there are several WC swimmers that do make NCI. That’s it, that’s all I was getting at. Let’s move on.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable? So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?

No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.

That is what I I figured. Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable. NCI is much faster. Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals.

Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one.

To be fair though, using the 200 free example, you can final at Winter Classic with a time that wouldn’t qualify to swim at NCI, let alone make finals.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

Are the finalist in the two meets comparable? So the slowest finalist at Sport Fair would also make finals at NCI?

No, not at all. I’m going to pull a random event, boys 11-12 200 free. The winner at NCI was 1:54.36, and the winner at Winter Classic was 1:56.19. The last finals qualifier at NCI had a prelims time of 2:06.53 and the last finals qualifier at Winter Classic had a prelim time of 2:17.67.

That is what I I figured. Not hating on Winter classic. But it is also disingenuous to say the meets are comparable. NCI is much faster. Yes the kids from the winter classic can make NCI cuts but less likely to make finals.

Oh my goodness. No one is saying that! A PP said that it’s a good thing WC exists for the not fast kids. And some of us are simply saying that swimming WC over NCI doesn’t mean that individual swimmer isn’t fast. Many of them would qualify for NCI. But I’m glad you spent some time doing a forensic analysis of old meet data to disprove a point no one made. The level of smugness on this forum is unbearable. It’s about your kid, not about you. You’re not the fast one.

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There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".