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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble. [/quote]

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy.  Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these. [/quote]

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.[/quote]

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great.  It is what it is.  Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.[/quote]

None of these schools have the super small classes Wake offers, the reason it dropped was class size was eliminated as a factor for US News and that is Wake’s number one selling point (and it does not have a large population Pell grant eligible which counts a lot on current rankings).  Even introductory popular classes in sciences and business around 50 kids per class, and most of my kid’s classes freshman year had less than 20 kids.  Tons of direct contact with professors.  97 percent of kids employed or in grad school six month after graduation, which is comparable or better than the T20 schools.[/quote]

You're positing it as if there's a real difference between 50 kids in a class and 80.  My kid goes to a larger school out west, 3 of her professors know her well, one wrote her a letter of recommendation, another sent her a personal note after she aced a midterm with the highest score in the class, another took time to tell her they really like her writing. Stellar kids will always get noticed, you don't need to go to a college the size of a high school to get attention.

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Most high schools aren’t 5500 kids.  Nice try though.  Again, most classes at Wake are less than 20 kids in a class, about a quarter  of the size of the class you seem to think is small.  50 kids is a large lecture class at Wake.

Yiu don’t value small class size so Wake isn’t for your family. I would never pay out of state prices for a large public school that offers mediocre advising and has hundreds of kids in a class.  You do you.

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