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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Average cost $34,720
It is way more than other T30 and more than many T50 T60 privates, and it's in the middle of nowhere.
Salary outcome is also mediocre.

Hard pass unless rich White.

What about Asian?

I’m an alum and my daughter’s Asian best friend is transferring out of WFU after one year because she felt out of place (and she put in a ton of effort). The school has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. Much more blonde and wealthy than when I attended.

I'm not sure that's true. The school has gotten less white over time and more economically diverse, but it started on a heavily blonde and wealthy foot. Maybe you didn't notice, because you fit in.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Average cost $34,720
It is way more than other T30 and more than many T50 T60 privates, and it's in the middle of nowhere.
Salary outcome is also mediocre.

Hard pass unless rich White.

What about Asian?

I’m an alum and my daughter’s Asian best friend is transferring out of WFU after one year because she felt out of place (and she put in a ton of effort). The school has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. Much more blonde and wealthy than when I attended.

I'm not sure that's true. The school has gotten less white over time and more economically diverse, but it started on a heavily blonde and wealthy foot. Maybe you didn't notice, because you fit in.

It’s also gotten far less southern. The largest block of students is from the northeast.

Is that really new? I knew lots of people from jersey and PA while I was there. (I was from DE at the time). Also a decent amount from MA.

While I was a student in the 90s, though, about 1/3 of the school was from NC. Has that changed?

My 2 sorority sisters with kids who attend(ed) were both NC residents-one has since moved to VA while child #2 is there.

I was going to say I don't remember too many asian students, but one of my sorority little sisters is - she became a doctor. But no, asians were not very well represented then, and it sounds like it hasn't improved.

The school always has been preppy and had a good deal of wealthy kids. I was probably one of the less well off kids, and we were middle-upper middle class. I will say that I found my people, though - there were very nice, down to earth kids who weren't pretentious there. The snooty crowd did their thing, we did ours.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Average cost $34,720
It is way more than other T30 and more than many T50 T60 privates, and it's in the middle of nowhere.
Salary outcome is also mediocre.

Hard pass unless rich White.

What about Asian?

I’m an alum and my daughter’s Asian best friend is transferring out of WFU after one year because she felt out of place (and she put in a ton of effort). The school has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. Much more blonde and wealthy than when I attended.

I'm not sure that's true. The school has gotten less white over time and more economically diverse, but it started on a heavily blonde and wealthy foot. Maybe you didn't notice, because you fit in.

It’s also gotten far less southern. The largest block of students is from the northeast.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Average cost $34,720
It is way more than other T30 and more than many T50 T60 privates, and it's in the middle of nowhere.
Salary outcome is also mediocre.

Hard pass unless rich White.

What about Asian?

I’m an alum and my daughter’s Asian best friend is transferring out of WFU after one year because she felt out of place (and she put in a ton of effort). The school has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. Much more blonde and wealthy than when I attended.

I'm not sure that's true. The school has gotten less white over time and more economically diverse, but it started on a heavily blonde and wealthy foot. Maybe you didn't notice, because you fit in.

It’s also gotten far less southern. The largest block of students is from the northeast.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Average cost $34,720
It is way more than other T30 and more than many T50 T60 privates, and it's in the middle of nowhere.
Salary outcome is also mediocre.

Hard pass unless rich White.

What about Asian?

I’m an alum and my daughter’s Asian best friend is transferring out of WFU after one year because she felt out of place (and she put in a ton of effort). The school has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. Much more blonde and wealthy than when I attended.

I'm not sure that's true. The school has gotten less white over time and more economically diverse, but it started on a heavily blonde and wealthy foot. Maybe you didn't notice, because you fit in.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great. It is what it is. Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.

None of these schools have the super small classes Wake offers, the reason it dropped was class size was eliminated as a factor for US News and that is Wake’s number one selling point (and it does not have a large population Pell grant eligible which counts a lot on current rankings). Even introductory popular classes in sciences and business around 50 kids per class, and most of my kid’s classes freshman year had less than 20 kids. Tons of direct contact with professors. 97 percent of kids employed or in grad school six month after graduation, which is comparable or better than the T20 schools.

According to Department of Education, it's salary outcome is mediocre.
The school is overrated/overhyped.
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Compare it to an actual T20 Southern school, Duke
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?198419-Duke-University

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great. It is what it is. Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.

None of these schools have the super small classes Wake offers, the reason it dropped was class size was eliminated as a factor for US News and that is Wake’s number one selling point (and it does not have a large population Pell grant eligible which counts a lot on current rankings). Even introductory popular classes in sciences and business around 50 kids per class, and most of my kid’s classes freshman year had less than 20 kids. Tons of direct contact with professors. 97 percent of kids employed or in grad school six month after graduation, which is comparable or better than the T20 schools.

According to Department of Education, it's salary outcome is mediocre.
The school is overrated/overhyped.
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Compare it to an actual T20 Southern school, Duke
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?198419-Duke-University

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?199847-Wake-Forest-University

Average cost $34,720
It is way more than other T30 and more than many T50 T60 privates, and it's in the middle of nowhere.
Salary outcome is also mediocre.

Hard pass unless rich White.

What about Asian?

I’m an alum and my daughter’s Asian best friend is transferring out of WFU after one year because she felt out of place (and she put in a ton of effort). The school has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. Much more blonde and wealthy than when I attended.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great. It is what it is. Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.

None of these schools have the super small classes Wake offers, the reason it dropped was class size was eliminated as a factor for US News and that is Wake’s number one selling point (and it does not have a large population Pell grant eligible which counts a lot on current rankings). Even introductory popular classes in sciences and business around 50 kids per class, and most of my kid’s classes freshman year had less than 20 kids. Tons of direct contact with professors. 97 percent of kids employed or in grad school six month after graduation, which is comparable or better than the T20 schools.

You're positing it as if there's a real difference between 50 kids in a class and 80. My kid goes to a larger school out west, 3 of her professors know her well, one wrote her a letter of recommendation, another sent her a personal note after she aced a midterm with the highest score in the class, another took time to tell her they really like her writing. Stellar kids will always get noticed, you don't need to go to a college the size of a high school to get attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great. It is what it is. Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.

None of these schools have the super small classes Wake offers, the reason it dropped was class size was eliminated as a factor for US News and that is Wake’s number one selling point (and it does not have a large population Pell grant eligible which counts a lot on current rankings). Even introductory popular classes in sciences and business around 50 kids per class, and most of my kid’s classes freshman year had less than 20 kids. Tons of direct contact with professors. 97 percent of kids employed or in grad school six month after graduation, which is comparable or better than the T20 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great. It is what it is. Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.

None of these schools have the super small classes Wake offers, the reason it dropped was class size was eliminated as a factor for US News and that is Wake’s number one selling point (and it does not have a large population Pell grant eligible which counts a lot on current rankings). Even introductory popular classes in sciences and business around 50 kids per class, and most of my kid’s classes freshman year had less than 20 kids. Tons of direct contact with professors. 97 percent of kids employed or in grad school six month after graduation, which is comparable or better than the T20 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great. It is what it is. Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.

None of these schools have the super small classes Wake offers, the reason it dropped was class size was eliminated as a factor for US News and that is Wake’s number one selling point (and it does not have a large population Pell grant eligible which counts a lot on current rankings). Even introductory popular classes in sciences and business around 50 kids per class, and most of my kid’s classes freshman year had less than 20 kids. Tons of direct contact with professors. 97 percent of kids employed or in grad school six month after graduation, which is comparable or better than the T20 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is full of very wealthy and very poor students. No merit, no middle to upper middle class. If you like those social dynamics go for it. It’s similar to Lehigh in that way. Beautiful campus, great academics, but a bubble.

They have merit: they have full coat of attendance scholarships worth $360k+. Only 20 some kids get them, but they do exist. They have some partial merit for arts and debate scholars, in addition. 75% of the ones awarded say yes. The rest go to a super elite/ivy. Wake is an excellent school. Their grads compete well and they have great grad/professional matriculation. Wake costs the same as every other private in the T30 and provides a great education. They are working on more pell grant kids: all top schools fight for these.

Now that having Pell kids is so important in the rankings…and the reason they dropped from T30

I am a Wake alum and enjoyed my time there. It was such a lovely place to spend my college years. It was a nice little bubble-gorgeous campus, small classes, great access to faculty. It was smaller and significantly cheaper in my time - they built up the campus and grew from 3600 students to well into the 5Ks now and it only cost about $20k/year all in.

Stop with the excuses…this is the problem when Wake comes up, so much crying.

Wake is 47…top 50 is great. It is what it is. Vandy, Emory and Duke somehow are all still top 25 (Duke top 10).

Wake also has far worse rankings if you look at WSJ or salary outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a school for a certain type… smart, Caucasian, bro-y, fratty, country club kids. To me it’s as boring as white bread.

I live in Baltimore and about one third the kids I know from this area attending Wake are black (my child also goes to Wake).