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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where [b]Virginia's top STEM talent attends[/b]? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M 
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State 
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others? 
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Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere.  Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those. [/quote]

Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.[/quote]

VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.[/quote]

Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you. [/quote]

Engineering yes, the others I’m not sure about.  I’ve been interviewing kids for CS positions for years, and the UVA grads are almost always better than the VT grads we interview, and often it’s not even close.  The UVA grads are much more impressive academically and have better foundational skills.  They just seem smarter overall; not surprising given the disparity in entering gpa/scores.

Everyone craps on the Ivy League for STEM as well, but we’ve gotten some amazing candidates from Dartmouth and Brown.  At some level the capabilities of the kids going into the programs matter more than exactly what series of classes they take.  Most CS programs at good schools are at the [b]very[/b] least adequate.[/quote]

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