Anonymous
06/04/2024 14:29
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC
Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.
But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.
To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.
I think some state flagships are known for their strong STEM majors, like Purdue and UMD, while others aren't, like UVA.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 14:26
Subject: STEM flagships
UIUC
Anonymous
06/04/2024 14:26
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC
Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.
But the original premise isn't correct. There are not designated STEM Flagships. Many states do not have designated flagships period. It is just assumed that the one with University of <insert state> or the oldest is the flagship. There is a concept of the land grant university in the state, but the flagship may also be a land grant.
To say there is a STEM flagship suggests that the other colleges aren't doing STEM or at least not to the same level. That isn't a correct general statement.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 14:01
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC
Thanks for actually answering the question. There are so many people on this board who are insecure, elitist, prestige slaves.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 13:49
Subject: STEM flagships
Clemson v. U of SC
NC State v. UNC
NC State v. UNC
Anonymous
06/04/2024 13:43
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...
U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?
Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.
Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.
VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.
Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.
A lot more TJ graduates go to UVA and W&M than to VT.
Same with top privates and the stem magnet publics in VA: the smartest Stem(all stem) who stay in state go to UVA or WM. The smartest ones who leave the state go T10 or ivy.
Almost right but most kids who can afford to go T30 over UVA
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:54
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:DC was a top of the class HS graduate. VA instate and CS major (yes, STEM is more than CS). DC accepted at UVA and VT. Wouldn’t even visit UVA or VT. Ended up at an OOS public. Ultimately it was cheaper than UVA or VT too.
What are some of the OOS publics that are cheaper than UVA/VT for VA residents? I would love to know, very curious.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:43
Subject: STEM flagships
Add Wisconsin to the list.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 08:58
Subject: STEM flagships
No one mentioned UMD?
UMBC would be next.
UMBC would be next.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 08:55
Subject: Re:STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:STEM is such a broad term. Do you honestly expect the top school in math theory to be the top school in marine biology, cybersecurity, astronomy, paleontology, material sciences, optics, civil engineering, quantum mechanics, gene editing, etc.?
I suspect that all of the schools named so far (and quite a few that haven’t yet been mentioned) could provide an excellent STEM education with more opportunities than an ambitious, self-directed student could probably take advantage of during a four year course of study. Whether any particular school has the best STEM program for a particular student probably depends on the specific student and what they’re looking for in a specific program (and from college in general).
A rare well reasoned answer on DCUM. You may be slumming. . .
Anonymous
06/04/2024 08:20
Subject: Re:STEM flagships
STEM is such a broad term. Do you honestly expect the top school in math theory to be the top school in marine biology, cybersecurity, astronomy, paleontology, material sciences, optics, civil engineering, quantum mechanics, gene editing, etc.?
I suspect that all of the schools named so far (and quite a few that haven’t yet been mentioned) could provide an excellent STEM education with more opportunities than an ambitious, self-directed student could probably take advantage of during a four year course of study. Whether any particular school has the best STEM program for a particular student probably depends on the specific student and what they’re looking for in a specific program (and from college in general).
I suspect that all of the schools named so far (and quite a few that haven’t yet been mentioned) could provide an excellent STEM education with more opportunities than an ambitious, self-directed student could probably take advantage of during a four year course of study. Whether any particular school has the best STEM program for a particular student probably depends on the specific student and what they’re looking for in a specific program (and from college in general).
Anonymous
06/04/2024 07:50
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...
U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?
For PA, the student stats for Pitt are quite a bit higher than PSU, but PSU has a stronger engineering program, so it might be Pitt/PSU. For Michigan, UM is stronger across the board, including STEM. I’d probably say the same thing for UT. UNC/NC State seems like almost the exact same split as UVA/VT. Perhaps Oregon/Oregon State.
I agree with almost everything you said except for TX. A&M is definitely where the strongest STEM programs/students are in TX.
UT is stronger.
+100
Anonymous
06/04/2024 07:46
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...
U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?
Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.
Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.
VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.
Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.
Engineering yes, the others I’m not sure about. I’ve been interviewing kids for CS positions for years, and the UVA grads are almost always better than the VT grads we interview, and often it’s not even close. The UVA grads are much more impressive academically and have better foundational skills. They just seem smarter overall; not surprising given the disparity in entering gpa/scores.
Everyone craps on the Ivy League for STEM as well, but we’ve gotten some amazing candidates from Dartmouth and Brown. At some level the capabilities of the kids going into the programs matter more than exactly what series of classes they take. Most CS programs at good schools are at the very least adequate.
+1000! And note Brown and Dartmouth are not even the stronger ivies. Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Columbia are the top ones for stem, but they all have smarter students across Stem, including engineering, than the corresponding kids at VT. They have top faculty too: look at R1 research publication scores and the top stem faculty are not at VT. Uva nudges out VT in stem, and T10/ivy win stem overall. Among T10/ivy, MIT is a notch above that elite group. The quality of the average student determines the pace of the math and science classes, and the depth. VT is not close. Just like TexasA&M is not close to UT (relative is a stem prof who moved A&M to UT and now his whole lab is at an ivy—he got huge $$ to move and took it, and is amazed by how much more in depth he can teach undergrads)
Anonymous
06/04/2024 07:33
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...
U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?
Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.
Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.
VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.
Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.
A lot more TJ graduates go to UVA and W&M than to VT.
Same with top privates and the stem magnet publics in VA: the smartest Stem(all stem) who stay in state go to UVA or WM. The smartest ones who leave the state go T10 or ivy.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 07:29
Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...
U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?
Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.
Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.
VT might attract engineering majors but it’s not where top STEM talent goes in state. Both UVA and W&M attract stronger students interested in science and math.
Disagree. VT is stronger in engineering, cs, math, stats, and physics. That you even brought WM into the conversation discredits you.
Engineering yes, the others I’m not sure about. I’ve been interviewing kids for CS positions for years, and the UVA grads are almost always better than the VT grads we interview, and often it’s not even close. The UVA grads are much more impressive academically and have better foundational skills. They just seem smarter overall; not surprising given the disparity in entering gpa/scores.
Everyone craps on the Ivy League for STEM as well, but we’ve gotten some amazing candidates from Dartmouth and Brown. At some level the capabilities of the kids going into the programs matter more than exactly what series of classes they take. Most CS programs at good schools are at the very least adequate.