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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For the PPs saying losing their faith was a relief, can you explain how? For me, losing faith would mean all my suffering (and suffering of others) is meaningless. And more important, that all the love and joy I experience are equally meaningless, to be snatched away at possibly at moment for no reason, no justice, no point.[/quote]

I'll answer: Reality is wonderful, and you can spend your time maximizing the value what you know you have and not worrying about afterlife or any other unlikely supernatural thing. It's liberating.  And rewarding - you act good because you choose too, which means you ARE good, and not because of fear of eternal retribution. I have many more reasons, but for this thread and your question that should suffice.

What confuses me is how suffering in meaningful?  Why would it make more sense that a supreme being was permitting your suffering (when they could change it), rather than the fact that it is simply an unfortunate part of life?

Even more confusing: how would love and joy be meaningless in any context?  (Aside from that being logically impossible).[/quote]

Love and joy would just be meaningless neurotransmitters firing. As would be your “choice” to do good. [/quote]

That's demonstrably false, and dumb as well, as it is logically impossible.  How could joy not be joyful?  It's a square circle.  Not possible.[/quote]

Joy can be joyful and also have no “meaning.” Meaning is just a value you assign to something. If you don’t value joy, then it’s meaningless. [/quote]

If joy was valueless, it wouldn't be joy.  Joy is a feeling you get from a situation because you value it.  If you didn't value it, you wouldn't feel joy.  Square circle.

I can't believe we are actually debating this nonsense.  Are you for real or are you trolling me?[/quote]

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