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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's almost like a hugely disruptive global pandemic is continuing to have disruptive effects...[/quote]

It’s almost as though my kid didn’t have those issues at her private school this past year.

But sure. Continue to pretend it’s like that everywhere.[/quote]

It's almost like schools that can choose whom to admit and whom to kick out have fewer disruptive students than public schools that are required to accept everyone.[/quote]
When I was a kid, they disciplined disruptive kids and separated out kids who are unable to sit quietly to learn. Consequently I actually learned something from real hard copy textbooks and teachers actually taught grammar and we read high quality works.

I feel sorry for sped students who are unable to sit quietly to learn and end up wandering around the classroom, and then often meltdown by the end of the day. How is this good for the sped student? The class atmosphere is inappropriate for them and it is difficult for neurotypical students to learn in this environment.

Suspensions were a serious matter and too many could lead to being expelled. Consequently, the well behaved students were rewarded for their good behavior and the disruptive students faced consequences.
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Exactly. Public schools can do quite a bit, up to and including expulsions. They just choose not to.[/quote]

Public schools cannot expel elementary schoolers, or at least not without a massive struggle. Nor do we want them to be able to expel elementary schoolers because that's terrible for society. [/quote]

Many of us are not suggesting expelling them, but segregating them.  Students are in the general population until they become a danger to the teacher and/or other students.  Children who exhibit violence need to be taken out of the general population and put into classes where SPED teachers can work with them.  In many cases, these children are overstimulated in the general population.  Having a child with sensory issues in a busy classroom with 24 other children, the associated noise and commotion, may be too much for them to handle and putting them into a smaller population with more focused attention from an educator that is trained to handle them is a better use of time and resources for everyone involved. [/quote]

Federal law entitles a student with a disability to a free appropriate public education. There is no asterisk for *except if the student bothers other students.[/quote]

That has nothing to do with anything. If a student isn't engaging with the class or the material, they aren't getting a free and appropriate education. [/quote]

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