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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To quote the study, "The antecedent factor of family socioeconomic status and the propensity factors of student science, mathematics, and reading achievement by kindergarten consistently explained whether students displayed advanced science or mathematics achievement during first, second, third, fourth, or fifth grade."

So this isn't about race, it's really about socioeconomic status of the family. [/quote]

Race and SES are highly correlated[/quote]

Not always.  In NYC, for example, the Asian community there is among the poorest if not the poorest.  Yet, they are highly represented in NYC magnet schools. [/quote]

Highly correlated does not mean perfectly correlated but there is a strong connection. We can point to the outliers but those remain outliers.

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Over a million kids are enrolled in NYC Public Schools.  That's almost twice as large as the next public school district, Los Angeles USD.  To put it into perspective NYC Public Schools has more students than all of Maryland and only somewhat less than Virginia.  Only about 15 states have more students in their public schools.

It's the largest school system in the world, but sure, let's ignore NYC.[/quote]

No one is ignoring NYC. As another poster pointed out, the number of kids in poverty attending the magnet schools is over exaggerated in the publics mind, those schools are still majority MC/UMC class kids. There is a higher percentage of kids who live in poverty then at TJ but it is not as if those schools are filled with kids who live in Poverty. It is laudable and I am thrilled to see it but it is not the massive number people want you to believe.

Should it be ignored? No but it does not cause the high level of correlation between academic success and SES to drop significantly. Nor does the number of poor kids who are bright and ahead and sent to the great private schools in NYC on scholarships. It is not hard to point to those success stories, we highlight them as examples and, in the case of the private schools, to give the appearance that  we are doing something positive. But they are still the exception to the rule.

The education gap starts at home and falls on the shoulders of the examples that the parents provide.[b] Families who have the extra time and money are in a better place and, are more likely, to read tot heir kids, take their kids to museums, [/b]play games that use math with their kids, and find ways to start teaching their kids as babies. They are in a better place to enrich and supplement as their kids get older. The kids eat better food and get more exercise, which helps with brain functioning and learning. None of this is new information. [/quote]

Many Asian parents cannot read to their kids in English and most are MC (not high SES) or small business owners working 80 hours per week so not really able to take their children to museums etc.[/quote]

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